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Old 12-14-2005, 12:35 PM   #331
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Stanley Tookie Williams life was not any more valuable than the four people he killed in cold blood.

The way I look at it - he actually got better than the victims he shot. He had many more years to live than the Victims did.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:38 PM   #332
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Let's go further. Even Paul acknowledge that he could face capital punishment if he did something wrong in Acts 25:11 "If, however, I am guilty of doing anything deserving death, I do not refuse to die. But if the charges brought against me by these Jews are not true, no one has the right to hand me over to them. I appeal to Caesar!" emphasis added
Knowing your fate and knowing it's right or wrong are two entirely different things.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:41 PM   #333
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The cross was only used by the Romans as the cruelest (and talk to a doctor, it really is horrendous) form of capital punishment.
Yes I know but you didn't answer my question?
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In each of the five books of the Pentateuch, there are provisions for capital punishment - covering over 20 different offenses. These provision were given before and after the handing down of the Ten Commandments.
Do you have anything more specific in these books after the commandments that you can quote?

So far the scriptures you've quoted are weak at best...very easily arguable.
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So far the scriptures you've quoted are weak at best...very easily arguable.
As is any scripture.....

There are contradictions throughout.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:52 PM   #336
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For those quoting thou shalt not kill.....

I believe through my readings that the commandment in its original translation is "Thou shalt not murder".
So what?

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Murder...premeditated....one man against another is not the same as a Government enforcing the law.
How so? If the law supports capital punishment, that's just premeditated murder by the state.
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So is this how the Crips was started then??? http://www.vidking.com/viewvideo.php?id=1089
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:55 PM   #338
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So what?

I cannot help you if you do not see the difference between premeditated murder verses those using "Thou shalt not kill" as a means to fight the death penalty.

There is a distinct difference.

But given the level of reponse "so what" I am not going to channel any more of my valuable energy into this.

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Regarding the various scriptural references being thrown around to support one point of view or another I offer the following:-

"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means." - George Bernard Shaw
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As is any scripture.....

There are contradictions throughout.
You got that right.

I just don't see any actual support for capital punishment as justified in God's view in those passages.

Show me something more concrete.
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Do you have anything more specific in these books after the commandments that you can quote?

So far the scriptures you've quoted are weak at best...very easily arguable.


You can start with Exodus 21:12 and go from there.

Perhaps you could provide your argument to support your claim of "weakness".
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How so? If the law supports capital punishment, that's just premeditated murder by the state.
Your opinion, not mine.

I suppose it depends on your view of what governement is and where they get the authority from.

NBC has provided scriptural references that have been dismissed as easily challenged.

Challenge them.
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"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means." - George Bernard Shaw
Excellent post....
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Yes I know but you didn't answer my question?
Your question was wondering about what God could have said. I think it would be inapporpriate to guess what God could have said.
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I am confused by both sides in this debate - to be blunt, why should the writings of scholars and sheep herders 2,000 or more years ago have any significant bearing on our current criminal justice system?
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