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Old 08-05-2004, 10:02 AM   #16
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Well Bono makes the off the cuff remarks about how he doesn't like seeing celebrities with a cause, its all part of public discourse. we live in a saturation media age and celebrities are part of that, politics, conflict and entertainment are melding into one - just look at the coverage of the War in Iraq - its not surprising that the celebs decide to speak out.
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Eh...is it just me, or do some of these performers lack the credibility to pull a stunt like this?

Springsteen and REM have expressed some of their political views creatively in their music. But the Dixie Chicks?
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While the Dixie Chicks maybe haven't expressed their political views in their music (to be honest, I don't know their music, I only have the one track they did at the Tribute To Heroes telethon), they do have outspoken ideas about politics. And they have expressed them before. So why are they less credible to speak their minds?

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He has a right to hold his opinion and a right to state his opinion to the world, I have no problem if celebrities want to speak out because I as an individual have the right to agree, disagree or call them a tool. I love freedom of speech.
Freedom of Speech! People stand on street corners hold placards with DAMNATION OR HEAVEN on it and handing out phamplets. No one may listen but they still do it. I see these types of concerts as the same thing- no one may listen but they still do it- because *they need to*.

Just because they are celebrities and are looked up to, they should shut up? Kids look up to their parents, so is it wrong for a parent to express his/her voting preference to the child? The voter can still vote for whomever they want to, and hopefully is making that decision based on their research and beliefs. It's not like their vote shouldn't count if it's based on what their parent/friend/godmother/favorite artist suggested. It's their decision! I think some people make poor decisions on who to vote for and don't examine all sides of certain issues - but I still respect their right to vote for whomever they please.
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He has a right to hold his opinion and a right to state his opinion to the world, I have no problem if celebrities want to speak out because I as an individual have the right to agree, disagree or call them a tool. I love freedom of speech.
Exactly. And to Olive as well.

I don't think anyone's trying to force anything on anybody else-the only way they could really do that is if they dragged a non-Kerry supporter down to their concerts and demanded they agree with everything they were saying, or if somebody who went to the concert and who was a Kerry supporter started bothering some Bush supporter in their neighborhood or something like that. No, I think these people are just going out and giving their opinions, just like everybody else. And if somebody doesn't want to listen to what they have to say, then they don't have to go to the concerts, they can change the channel should one of those celebrities come on TV, etc., etc. And I'd say the same thing if the situation were reversed, too.

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Well, then, I guess Bono is just a pretentious asshole for doing the broadcasts from Sarajevo during ZOO TV, for even writing "Bullet the Blue Sky," for working for years for debt relief and fair trade for Africa... What a pompous prick, eh?

Took the words from my mouth, Pax. Not to mention holes like John Lennon and Bob Dylan, who just never shut up.

Guys, politics and art have been in bed together since there was either. Artists, in music, literature, plays, even paintings, have *always* used their muse to express what they think about society and humanity. That's why Plato wanted to outlaw poets (wasn't it Plato?) and why, more recently in Iran, the first group of folks the Ayatollah went after was the artists and intellectuals. Art prods and pushes and provokes. And it should. Now, I believe in, with a nod to Oscar Wilde, art for art's sake. A painting because it's gorgeous or blasting rock'n'roll for no other reason than that it sounds incredible. But to be angered that artists have specific views and opinions they want to share and express, yes in the hopes of persuading and bringing about change, seems to be to be directly opposed to everything I've ever learned about art history.



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While the Dixie Chicks maybe haven't expressed their political views in their music (to be honest, I don't know their music, I only have the one track they did at the Tribute To Heroes telethon), they do have outspoken ideas about politics. And they have expressed them before. So why are they less credible to speak their minds?

Well, I just think it's rather silly for them to suddenly try to package their politics and their music in this way when they've never done so before.

Michael Stipe is allowed to go into a leftist rant against the USA before REM rips into "Welcome to the Occupation" or "Bad Day" or "Ignoreland". I don't think the Dixie Chicks aren't going to be able to do anything comparable.
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I don't think the Dixie Chicks aren't going to be able to do anything comparable.
they may not do anything 'comparable', but they will attract non-REM fans to the event. whether you agree with the intent or not, that's why it is being done.
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Guys, politics and art have been in bed together since there was either. Artists, in music, literature, plays, even paintings, have *always* used their muse to express what they think about society and humanity. That's why Plato wanted to outlaw poets (wasn't it Plato?) and why, more recently in Iran, the first group of folks the Ayatollah went after was the artists and intellectuals. Art prods and pushes and provokes. And it should. Now, I believe in, with a nod to Oscar Wilde, art for art's sake. A painting because it's gorgeous or blasting rock'n'roll for no other reason than that it sounds incredible. But to be angered that artists have specific views and opinions they want to share and express, yes in the hopes of persuading and bringing about change, seems to be to be directly opposed to everything I've ever learned about art history.



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they may not do anything 'comparable', but they will attract non-REM fans to the event. whether you agree with the intent or not, that's why it is being done.
Yeah, and I don't think it'll be terribly effective.

Just sayin' is all.
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I don't think the Dixie Chicks aren't going to be able to do anything comparable.

Please refer to them as the "French Chicks" ......
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Several of you have posted, why the Dixie Chicks? Did everyone forget the Dixie Chicks are famous for their comments about being ashamed to be from Texas? Then they got bashed and got their records burned? Then Bush said, yes they had a right to speak their mind, but so do the people who criticize them, and if you can't take it don't dish it out.

So I think they're some kind of pin up girls for the anti Bush cause.

IMO (which I know means totally nothing and is not respected by any of you of any political viewpoint) the presence of Vedder hurts the credibility of the whole thing, he of the stupid Bush mask slaughter with the mike stand.
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They're musicians, not political analysts. They are supporting a person, not articulating an issue.
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Several of you have posted, why the Dixie Chicks?
i think we are all aware. it just wasn't explicitly stated.

i believe speedracer identified them as questionable because, in his opinion and as popular logic would dictate, the dixie chicks are unlikely to offer the sort of 'informed criticism' or 'debate' that is expected of REM.
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