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Old 11-06-2008, 12:08 AM   #811
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I guess at the end of the day the whole issue comes down to a simple matter of dignity. From what I've heard from those opposed to it, they really don't have any idea what dignity really is - they don't know how dignity feels so they cannot grasp the desire to feel dignified. They will say they do, and they probably honestly believe they do, but they don't. Dignity is inner strength, compassion and courage. Bigotry is weakness, anger, fear, and ignorance. That shit leads to the dark side, Luke.

I admit sometimes it's hard to take you seriously, but I always enjoy your posts.

But this one in paticular is spot on.
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I guess at the end of the day the whole issue comes down to a simple matter of dignity. From what I've heard from those opposed to it, they really don't have any idea what dignity really is - they don't know how dignity feels so they cannot grasp the desire to feel dignified. They will say they do, and they probably honestly believe they do, but they don't. Dignity is inner strength, compassion and courage. Bigotry is weakness, anger, fear, and ignorance. That shit leads to the dark side, Luke.
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i disagree.

let's put it to a vote!
Who are you to disagree with millennia of human history, during which the composition of families has always been determined solely by ongoing rigorous evaluation of what promotes optimum psychological development for children, and during which various blind alleys like same-sex parenting were duly tried and found wanting? It's not like it was ever about protecting dependent mothers from irresponsible fathers, or consolidation of property or anything like that. Next thing I know, you'll be trying to tell me I got married for any further reason than pure, self-sacrificing willingness to nurture the next generation...sheesh.
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In the words of Bill Hicks, "Sleep tight."
Bill Hicks named one of his CDs "Arizona Bay," that's what he thought of California.

I often wonder what he'd be doing today given that his anti-GOP/anti-Bush (41)/anti-Christian act that was so "edgy" back in 1991 now accounts for 99% of political humor today.
He wasn't one to run with the pack. I could see him having several fatwas issued on his life by now.

Shame that he's gone.
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Chalk talk with INDY500.

Americans believe in self-determination. So you might stop trying to push societal change through the courts.

Americans outside of Chicago don't like political intimidation. So you might stop labeling all your opponents as "haters."

Americans believe in secular government but a religious populace. So you might stop denigrating beliefs derived from religion.

Americans believe anything originating in Canada to be highly suspect. So you might stop trotting them out as "the way things should be."

And Americans don't like whiney-ass losers. So you might knock that off as well.

Now if you're tired of losing over and over you might, oh I don't know, TRY A DIFFERENT GAME PLAN.
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Americans believe in self-determination. So you might stop trying to push societal change through the courts.

Americans outside of Chicago don't like political intimidation. So you might stop labeling all your opponents as "haters."

Americans believe in secular government but a religious populace. So you might stop denigrating beliefs derived from religion.

Americans believe anything originating in Canada to be highly suspect. So you might stop trotting them out as "the way things should be."

And Americans don't like whiney-ass losers. So you might knock that off as well.

Now if you're tired of losing over and over you might, oh I don't know, TRY A DIFFERENT GAME PLAN.
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Beav, as much as I love the Habs—and you know I do!—I'm requesting your permission to include this in my signature in place of what I have now. It's just too good.
Give us Plekanic and it's a deal.
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I guess at the end of the day the whole issue comes down to a simple matter of dignity. From what I've heard from those opposed to it, they really don't have any idea what dignity really is - they don't know how dignity feels so they cannot grasp the desire to feel dignified. They will say they do, and they probably honestly believe they do, but they don't. Dignity is inner strength, compassion and courage. Bigotry is weakness, anger, fear, and ignorance. That shit leads to the dark side, Luke.
Damn. That's a great summation.
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Americans believe in self-determination. So you might stop trying to push societal change through the courts.
Oh the irony...

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Americans outside of Chicago don't like political intimidation. So you might stop labeling all your opponents as "haters."
But labeling them godless or immoral is fine.

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Americans believe in secular government but a religious populace. So you might stop denigrating beliefs derived from religion.
Your party had a man running for president that said the Constitution should be changed to be more like the Bible. Many of you don't even understand what a secular government is...

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Americans believe anything originating in Canada to be highly suspect. So you might stop trotting them out as "the way things should be."
Meh, this one's just dumb.

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And Americans don't like whiney-ass losers. So you might knock that off as well.
The irony get thicker and thicker... Your party is booing the president elect and whiny about "socialism". You're constantly whiny about how the media doesn't like you guys, they don't like your anti-science stances, they're waging war on Christmas... don't talk to me about whiners.

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Now if you're tired of losing over and over you might, oh I don't know, TRY A DIFFERENT GAME PLAN.
Mark my words, you always have and always will be on the wrong side of history when it comes to social issues...
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Who are you to disagree with millennia of human history, during which the composition of families has always been determined solely by ongoing rigorous evaluation of what promotes optimum psychological development for children, and during which various blind alleys like same-sex parenting were duly tried and found wanting? It's not like it was ever about protecting dependent mothers from irresponsible fathers, or consolidation of property or anything like that. Next thing I know, you'll be trying to tell me I got married for any further reason than pure, self-sacrificing willingness to nurture the next generation...sheesh.


curses! defeated by empiricism, biology, and plain old common sense again.

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Americans believe in self-determination. So you might stop trying to push societal change through the courts.

Americans outside of Chicago don't like political intimidation. So you might stop labeling all your opponents as "haters."

Americans believe in secular government but a religious populace. So you might stop denigrating beliefs derived from religion.

Americans believe anything originating in Canada to be highly suspect. So you might stop trotting them out as "the way things should be."

And Americans don't like whiney-ass losers. So you might knock that off as well.

Now if you're tired of losing over and over you might, oh I don't know, TRY A DIFFERENT GAME PLAN.



you realize this post does exactly what you're accusing the other side of doing.
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Oh goody, more Canada bashing this morning.

This is becoming a daily affair here at FYM. Good job, guys.
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So you might stop denigrating beliefs derived from religion.
Republicans' last-ditch game plan pretty much was "he's a MUSLIM!!!!"

I guess religion is OK as long as it's YOUR religion ?

Does the far right's bigotry know no bounds ?
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I just saw the victory party of a bunch of pastors after Prop. 8 passed. It makes me ashamed to call myself a Christian alongside these bigots.

Word to Christian Prop. 8 supporters
It must make you fuckers feel really big that people are going to be denied rights based on whether they fit into your circle of right-wing, white, straight, exclusivity I bet this is how white Southerners felt when Jim Crow laws were established. Enjoy that thought you ignorant idiots. I understand, though, you're just taking dominion over the earth right, like God said? You figure He's not big enough? You'll talk for hours about how an obscure passage in Romans (that, when you study the text and history around it is talking about young boys being used as sex slaves by older, male priests in Greek and Roman temples) and how it should be used to deny rights to an entire group of Americans, but all that talk on the Sermon on the Mount, all that talk in the Books of the Prophets about righteousness, justice, and equality, that can be explained away, can't it? You make me sick, and you're a slap in the face to the Jesus you say you're doing this for. One day, my children and grandchildren will look back on this group of Christians and think this was as wrong and ridiculous as the churches in the south who refused to let black people in before the Civil Rights movement.
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