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Old 11-05-2008, 07:44 PM   #736
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I'm serious, though. I want someone to rationally explain to me how allowing gays to marry will damage society.
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:44 PM   #737
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How would it be damaging to society if gay marriage were to remain legal?
This question has been asked time and time again of Prop 8 supporters Nathan and INDY, though. And it's been the same answer every time.
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I'm serious, though. I want someone to rationally explain to me how allowing gays to marry will damage society.
Well so you find yourself seeing somebody that you kind of have a hunch you shouldn't be with anyway, and then this goes on for a while, you know, and you have an exhilarating time together 20% of the time, but then the other 80% one or both of you are desperately running in the opposite direction because you realize you don't want to be Ross and Rachel and so then it ends spectacularly except it really doesn't quite ever end so that it's like a dozen paper cuts blending into one gigantic oozing wound.

This is because my gay best male friend can marry his boyfriend in this country.
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Is it really that hard to imagine a society in which people are free to both think homosexuality is wrong and choose to enter into homosexual relationships?

Of course, I'm a motherfuckin' genius ...
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I just can't comprehend how someone could justify this in a pluralistic society where religious beliefs are not supposed to infringe on anyone's freedoms, when it is supposed to be a self-evident truth that all men (and women) are created equal.
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I just can't comprehend how someone could justify this in a pluralistic society where religious beliefs are not supposed to infringe on anyone's freedoms, when it is supposed to be a self-evident truth that all men (and women) are created equal.
You know what this means don't you? Thomas Jefferson was a damn liar.
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I just can't comprehend how someone could justify this in a pluralistic society where religious beliefs are not supposed to infringe on anyone's freedoms, when it is supposed to be a self-evident truth that all men (and women) are created equal.
Again, your responses are ones you've heard already: that this isn't a religious issue and that there are ways to be against gay marriage without it being about religion. That this isn't a "right." That civil unions are just as good.
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Personally I've yet to find one person whose opposition to gay marriage wasn't founded on religious beliefs. I know I've heard arguments that omit that part of the equation, but it's basically the elephant in the room whenever they attempt that.
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I'm serious, though. I want someone to rationally explain to me how allowing gays to marry will damage society.
There's nothing rational about it, and nobody once said that people ever had to act rationally. The sheer fact is that, globally, we're not as "advanced" as we think we are, and "The End of History" is laughably false.
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You know what this means don't you? Thomas Jefferson was a damn liar.
Maybe next time you're drunk, you can shout out curses to Jefferson and leave poor Jackson out of it.
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Guess I can take down my cyber yard sign now.

By voting "yes" on Proposition 8 the citizens of California were actually saying "no."

No to a radical redefinition of marriage.
No to judicial activism.
And no to the "Proposition hate" bullying of the Angry Left.
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And "no" to basic civil rights. Congrats. 16,000 stripped of marriages.

In the words of Bill Hicks, "Sleep tight."
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INDY, I hope that you'll be clapping in a few years when this all goes down the way it should have long ago.
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Guess I can take down my cyber yard sign now.

By voting "yes" on Proposition 8 the citizens of California were actually saying "no."

No to a radical redefinition of marriage.
No to judicial activism.
And no to the "Proposition hate" bullying of the Angry Left.
And "yes" to bigotry.
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Nothing I can say about this can express my disgust with the decision on Prop 8, and the glee some people are displaying about it around here.

I just don't know how I would react if one morning I woke up and someone told me "oh, we nullified your marriage because we don't agree with it". Actually, I do know how I would react, and it wouldn't be pretty...

While I would have been pissed about this regardless, remembering that we got married on the same day as someone around here whose marriage is no longer (or will soon be) invalid made things even more real.

No one else's marriage affects my marriage and I would have assumed that would be the same for everyone.
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