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Old 11-05-2008, 01:40 PM   #661
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I keep thinking about them. I had tears of joy in my eyes when she told me they had gotten married. Now, the tears are the opposite.



hopefully, you can explain to them that it's all very complicated.
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This isn't a simple or easy situation at all.

Really? What's so fucking hard about two people who love each other committing to one another for a lifetime?

I must be stupid or something, because I just don't see how my colleague's niece's marriage to another woman is hurting anything in your narrow, little, scared world.

Are you proud right now? Are you happy?

Please, tell us about your joy that marriages are invalid, and that the queers are finally put where they belong.
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Count in another Californian who is shocked. I really thought Prop 8 would be voted down easily.
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hopefully, you can explain to them that it's all very complicated.
You know, Caron looked at me and told me that I needed to make sure this didn't happen. She was absolutely right. I did my best, but I still feel like I failed her and all the rest of the people now designated as not quite good enough for Constitutional protection.
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I think it's pretty clear that Michigan people are the wisest and most informed people in the Union. Go Michigan!


Joking aside, very disappointed on the outcome of this...
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:45 PM   #666
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At the risk of sounding cerebral about something so tragic, I did find those county-by-county maps a real eye-opener. I had no idea CA was so divided on 'social issues' between the coast and the rest of the state.
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But the tide is surely turning :

In 2000 the results of prop 22 which prevented California from recognizing same-sex marriages was 61.4% approval and 38.6% against.

Eight years later - 52% vs. 48%.
Well, there's something to take heart from.

I hope the results of this vote won't actually wind up legally invalidating all the thousands of new families formed since June, but it doesn't look good for them. What a devastating prospect for all those couples and in many cases, their children.
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So the Obama get-out-the-vote effort hurt Prop 8 ??

"African-Americans voted for Proposition 8 by a 69 percent to 31 percent margin. However, 55 percent of white voters and 52 percent of Hispanics voted against the proposition"


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Well, there's something to take heart from.

The problem is that this new bullshit is an amendment to the constitution.
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Nevermind: Wolf Blitzer just delivered the shitty news to me.
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Really? What's so fucking hard about two people who love each other committing to one another for a lifetime?

I must be stupid or something, because I just don't see how my colleague's niece's marriage to another woman is hurting anything in your narrow, little, scared world.

Are you proud right now? Are you happy?

Please, tell us about your joy that marriages are invalid, and that the queers are finally put where they belong.
I do believe they are proud and happy right now. Our innocent children will now be protected from hearing about gay marriage...oh wait, they probably asked a few questions about it when they noticed the big yellow signs everywhere, saw the endless TV commercials and most likely wondered what it all meant when their parents paraded them around on street corners with defense of marriage signs. Oopsy!

But hey, marriage in California will be stronger than ever! The divorce rate will no longer be 50-75% for first marriages and 65% for second marriages! Families will stay together and no one will ever get divorced! Single moms will cease to exist and every boy and girl will have a happy, healthy 2 parent (one man/one woman ) household!



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So the Obama get-out-the-vote effort hurt Prop 8 ??

"African-Americans voted for Proposition 8 by a 69 percent to 31 percent margin. However, 55 percent of white voters and 52 percent of Hispanics voted against the proposition"


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This is probably true.


In a different election cycle it may not have passed.
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Really? What's so fucking hard about two people who love each other committing to one another for a lifetime?
Read the flipping thread, Martha. Your world is just as narrow.

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Are you proud right now? Are you happy? Please, tell us about your joy that marriages are invalid, and that the queers are finally put where they belong.
No, I'm not, and it's your bigotry that assumes I am.
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It baffles me that there is a state that has one city voting to try and make prostitution legal can also then do this sort of bullshit.

Granted, I don't know how the San Francisco vote did, but talk about contradictions within one state.
Measure K (decriminalizing prostitution in San Francisco) didn't pass Yes - 42 % No - 58 %

Prop 8 in SF : 77% no - 23 % yes
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