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Old 11-05-2008, 01:53 AM   #616
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CNN has a map showing the county-by-county results on Proposition 8 as they come in (scroll over the individual counties for the running tally):

County Results - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Still 53% Yes, 47% No, with 33% reporting.

Exit poll here (5 pages).
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:34 AM   #617
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we'll see what happens.

i look forward to INDY and nathan rejoicing while they watch loving couples being negated in the eyes of the law.

what a joyous occasion!
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:22 AM   #618
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what's amazing is that 70% of blacks support denying some the same rights that were once denied to them.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

but the under 40's went heavily for basic human dignity. heavily. and it's split along education lines as well.

the bigots will die off, eventually.
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Thanks for those links yolland and Irvine511.

Right now, it's 52% yes - 48% no - with 87% in - roughly 350,000 difference in votes.

I'm originally from the Netherlands, where same sex marriage was legalized in 2001 and now live in the SF bay area. So clearly would have liked to have seen a different outcome myself. But what I feared, has unfortunately happened.

Small consolation : 8 of the 9 Bay Area counties voted no. (Only Solano voted yes).

But for the whole state, it's 42 counties - yes
16 counties - no

And what about this?

Los Angeles - Yes 1,287,041 51% - No 1,261,518 49% - 97% of precincts reporting
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It reminds me of what happened right before slavery was outlawed, and then right before voting rights were finally enacted. The opposition feels its control slipping away, so it gets baroque and insane in its attempts at control.

Then, the oppressed group and its allies rise up say "Knock that shit off! We're people too, assholes."

It may be a series of setbacks that piss everyone off, but the tide is turning, very slowly. Just the idea that these people think this behavior needs to be stopped means that the behavior is happening. Before, it wasn't even happening; it was so underground that it couldn't even be acknowledged. Now, it's so common, it scares people and they're trying to stop the tidal wave.

They won't be able to stop it.
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It will end. The crescendo of fear is cresting about this, and then it will subside. Every group endures this when it finally demands equality.
Nicely said, martha!

Time will come.
Although sooner rather than later would have been nice.
But the tide is surely turning :

In 2000 the results of prop 22 which prevented California from recognizing same-sex marriages was 61.4% approval and 38.6% against.

Eight years later - 52% vs. 48%.

And once the results have been analyzed, it'll become very clear which specific areas and groups to target better next time.
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Liberties ought not be executed at the ballot box.

But what ought isn't what is.
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Liberties ought not be executed at the ballot box.

But what ought isn't what is.
What do you mean?
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I mean that the state shouldn't be discriminating against gay citizens even when it has popular approval, some issues should simply be off limits, these would be things like secularism and free speech, and in a sense equal recognition of consensual relationships.
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I don't get that California voted for Obama who supports gay marriage and then voted yes?
WTF?
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Obama doesn't support gay marriage, don't believe the hype.
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Oh doesn't he? I thought when i read an overview of his platform he supported it.
Thats a bit shit though.
Why do people give such a fuck about other peoples sex lives when they don't give a shit whether they live or die by taking away welfare, making medical bills unbelievably expensive and sending people off to die in a stupid war.
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Oh doesn't he? I thought when i read an overview of his platform he supported it.
His platform was to make civil unions as equal as marriage but not force churches that didn't want to perform or recognise gay marriage.
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That's the position of Diamond and Indy500, separate but equal, recognising civil unions but not use the word marriage.
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That's the position of Diamond and Indy500, separate but equal, recognising civil unions but not use the word marriage.
I'm not sure about that...

Just a few weeks ago INDY made the comment "virtually equal", and never followed up. And Diamond thinks they are equal now, and after the years of bringing up animals, robots, and incest I'm not sure if he's willing to truly grant equality
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