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Old 11-04-2008, 08:04 AM   #556
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bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Why doesn't that standard apply to both sides?

Why is "tolerance" a one-way street on this issue?

What makes anti-Christian bigotry acceptable if anti-gay bigotry is not?
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And sometimes it's just name calling. Not embracing and condoning EVERY behavior, belief or worldview that comes along does not make one a bigot or a hater.
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But 99.9% of us aren't trying to codify our bigotry in statute.
That's how, no doubt, prop 8 would poll here in FYM, but I'm guessing the actual California vote will be slightly less lopsided.
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Why doesn't that standard apply to both sides?

Why is "tolerance" a one-way street on this issue?

What makes anti-Christian bigotry acceptable if anti-gay bigotry is not?
Is someone trying to generate some laws which deny rights to Christians which others already have ?


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And sometimes it's just name calling. Not embracing and condoning EVERY behavior, belief or worldview that comes along does not make one a bigot or a hater.
Denying someone a right you have because they're different to you in some way makes you a bigot.
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Is someone trying to generate some laws which deny rights to Christians which others already have ?
That's funny, prop 8 only exists because the California Supreme Court decided to "generate some laws."

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That's funny, prop 8 only exists because the California Supreme Court decided to "generate some laws."
Oh wow, you mean judges did their job and determined if something was legal ? Where WILL the insanity stop ?????



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It's Dearborn, Michigan on the line. They want to know if you're a bigot?
I'd better ask myself : "Would I deny someone a right I already have because that person is different to me in some way ? "

Hmm, if I answer 'yes' that DOES make me a bigot......
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What makes anti-Christian bigotry acceptable if anti-gay bigotry is not?
I'd strip half the churches of their tax exempt status immediately, and frankly I wouldn't mind stripping the other half either.

But that's the difference between us, I just think they're freeloading while preaching bigotry, I am not trying to change the tax code.
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Oh wow, you mean judges did their job and determined if something was legal.
All laws being legal by definition, supreme court judges rule on their constitutionality. Theoretically using the constitution as their guide rather than personal political agendas. Theoretically.
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One can hope at the borders of CA, MA and CT.

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I'd better ask myself : "Would I deny someone a right I already have because that person is different to me in some way ? "

Hmm, if I answer 'yes' that DOES make me a bigot......
I'll leave the epithet throwing to those so inclined.
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All laws being legal by definition, supreme court judges rule on their constitutionality. Theoretically using the constitution as their guide rather than personal political agendas. Theoretically.

One can hope at the borders of CA, MA and CT.



I'll leave the epithet throwing to those so inclined.
That would be the non-bigots then ?
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All laws being legal by definition, supreme court judges rule on their constitutionality. Theoretically using the constitution as their guide rather than personal political agendas. Theoretically.
Just because you disagree with a legal opinion doesn't make it incorrect nor does it by definition make it exclusively political.

Shocking concept, I know.
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That's funny, prop 8 only exists because the California Supreme Court decided to "generate some laws."
No. They applied the California Constitution to the law, and it didn't quite fit with the Equal Protection clause we have.

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What makes anti-Christian bigotry acceptable if anti-gay bigotry is not?
It isn't. If Prop 8 prohibited marriage between Christians, there would still be a No on 8 sign in my front yard.
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And sometimes it's just name calling. Not embracing and condoning EVERY behavior, belief or worldview that comes along does not make one a bigot or a hater.


being gay isn't any one of these things.
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being gay isn't any one of these things.
Same-sex marriage most certainly is.

But then again, relatively speaking, so are liberal democracies.

Civil unions (equivalent to marriage in all but name) seems to me a reasonable compromise between religion values and postmodernism -- tradition and individual rights.
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Civil unions (equivalent to marriage in all but name) seems to me a reasonable compromise between religion values and postmodernism -- tradition and individual rights.
Separate but equal was ruled unconstitutional. You never seem to understand that.
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