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Old 10-11-2008, 02:58 PM   #331
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See, Indy, at least you stick to your guns. You don't want equal protection for a class of people, so you're willing to write them out of California's constitution. You're willing to alter a state's constitution to include prejudice and exclusion. Not everyone's willing to admit to that.
Proposition 8
"only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Now, I sure the hell would love to see YOUR definition of marriage that shows no prejudice and excludes no one.

Go ahead miss "equality for all," and rewrite proposition 8 so that you could vote for it.
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Do you think it appropriate that RIGHT be decided by a margin of 4 unelected judges to 3 unelected judges?

Do you think it appropriate that RIGHT be debated by lawyers in a closed courtroom rather than amongst citizens and their elected legislators in a public forum.
Bans on interracial marriage were not struck down by voters (or their elected officials).

Rather, it took the California Supreme Court to decide in Perez v. Sharp that blacks and whites had the right to marry.

Perhaps these blacks should have shut up and waited for the California legislature to get with the fucking program and repeal the statute? That is the logical conclusion of that position.
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Proposition 8
"only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Now, I sure the hell would love to see YOUR definition of marriage that shows no prejudice and excludes no one.

Go ahead miss "equality for all," and rewrite proposition 8 so that you could vote for it.
Two consenting adults... not that tough.
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Old 10-11-2008, 03:10 PM   #334
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Proposition 8
"only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Now, I sure the hell would love to see YOUR definition of marriage that shows no prejudice and excludes no one.

Go ahead miss "equality for all," and rewrite proposition 8 so that you could vote for it.
I'm not voting for Proposition 8, so why would I reword it? I think this
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CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SEC. 7. (a) A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or
property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the
laws;
says it all.

You're the one, mr. exclusion, who is willing to deny rights based on sexual orientation, not me.

I was going to edit, but BVS said it for me.
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Perhaps these blacks should have shut up and waited for the California legislature to get with the fucking program and repeal the statute? That is the logical conclusion of that position.
It's true. Whites "just weren't ready."
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Two consenting adults... not that tough.
I think he's going for the old polygamy argument, though.

The key assumption is that being gay affects your ability to love another person- you're unstable/unable to fully commit to another person. Or being polygamous, you're unstable/unable to fully commit to all your partners.

I think the gay argument is self-evidently unjustified. I am not sure about the second one, though. And polygamy has historically treated women very, very poorly.
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Well I've already made the point of why polygamy doesn't work in this scenario but if he really wants to play dumb and go down that path I'll explain it again...
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[QUOTE=BonoVoxSupastar;5528116 I'll explain it again...[/QUOTE]

You may have to. It's all the anti-gay marriage people seem to have.

That and the children.
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I'm not voting for Proposition 8, so why would I reword it?
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You're willing to alter a state's constitution to include prejudice and exclusion. Not everyone's willing to admit to that.
Well certainly not you. Unless, of course, martha's definition has no definition.
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Well certainly not you. Unless, of course, martha's definition has no definition.
I really don't know what this means.


My state's constitution has an equal protection clause. That's what caused the Supreme Court to overturn the ban on same sex marriage. People who support the ban need to amend the state constitution to do so. That's what Proposition 8 is, an amendment to the state constitution. It writes an exclusion limiting marriage into the constitution; it attempts to eliminate a group's constitutional right to equal protection based on sexual orientation.

So. That's why I don't support it. I don't support limiting access to rights based on sexual orientation.
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Proposition 8
"only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Now, I sure the hell would love to see YOUR definition of marriage that shows no prejudice and excludes no one.

Go ahead miss "equality for all," and rewrite proposition 8 so that you could vote for it.
Only marriage between two consenting adults is valid or recognised in X?
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^you're forgetting about those who practice bestiality and will surely want to be married as well. we can't have that. where does it end a_wanderer????
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Only marriage between two consenting adults is valid or recognised in X?
See, that's too logical. If you're a social conservative, you have to come up with artificially confusing nonsense to make it seem irresponsible to support gay marriage, silly.
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Men are more likely to abuse their spouses ergo two men in a relationship are at too high a risk of domestic abuse necessitating a ban on gay marriage.

Simple.
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^ Nicely done.
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