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Old 04-01-2007, 05:06 AM   #16
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I totally would report that type of behaviour, and the idea you could be labelled a bigot is ridiculous. If I saw someone praying just before they went on a flight (they wouldn't think that anybody would find it sus in this day and age and couldn't pick a better time?!) AND cursing the united states (Who hates the US more than a terrorist, how could you not see this as a stupid thing to do??!!), yeh i'd freak out and report it!
I'm tired of people trying sooo hard to be politcally correct that they're losing sense of reality, let's face it there are Muslim terrorists out there and it is not worth potentially another semptember 11 attack just to make a few people comfortable. I applaud the people who had the balls to speak up, and I hope passengers vigilance will preclude any terrorist attacks in the future, they should be commended not condemned.
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Old 04-01-2007, 07:20 AM   #17
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Because it IS a race issue? Fearful people (due to your fucking fear mongering media machine) saw some islamic immans (who were probably in religious dress) and were praying and immediately went 'FUCK TERORISTS!' and they were discrimminated against for small things that any other normal "non muslim" passanger who did them would not have got a second glance and missed their flight.

Its just another reason why its shit to be muslim in the US
If I was sitting next to an anglo repeatedly praying under their breath to Allah on a plane I would consider it suspicious; it's not a race issue but it clearly is a religious issue.
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Old 04-01-2007, 09:00 AM   #18
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I see people praying before they get on the plane all the time. I don't see it as suspicious at all.

I understand people are testy when flying, but really, kicking people off a plane because of some unfounded silly little fears is ludicrious. If you are so concerned, spend your whole entire flight watching them like hawks and the minute they get up to use the bathroom jump on them and place them in a choke hold, proud of the fact that you saved the lives of everyone on board.

Seriously, there is no way sept 11 would ever happen again. The reason why it happened was the people on the plane didn't realised it was a total suicide mission.

I don't think people tattling on some immans as "caring" i think they are over the top hysterical people who need to think twice before opening their mouths.
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Old 04-01-2007, 01:34 PM   #19
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Just a simple question here:

When was the last time ANYONE here has seen someone MUSLIM pray at the airport?

Probably never?

I am at the airport close to 11 hours a day, five days a week. I see Christian groups praying together before a trip outside of the secure area roughly two times a week. I was raised Christian. As soon as I see them, I know what they are doing due to my knowledge/history. If I saw a group in the boarding area CHANTING (not knowing that this is prayer), I would be somewhat suspicious.

I would hope that whatever authority was notified would determine that that is their form of prayer (I could not possibly know of every religious form of prayer, and I doubt that anyone on this board would be able determine this too).

Now, add on cursing the U.S. and loudly mentioning Saddam Hussein, and I would be scared as crap to get on the plane with these individuals. If they are cursing ANYTHING in the gate area loudly, how will they handle any minor safety problem in the air? Will they accept the authority of the flight attendant yelling commands at them?

And as for the seatbelt extension issue...most of these gentlemen would not normally require a seatbelt extension just ADDING to their suspicious behavior.
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Did they really curse America and mention Saddam Hussein, or was it rather the impression?
Saddam and Hussein are common names in Arabic countries. If they spoke in Arabic some passenger might just heard some snippets and made a connection in his mind.

I think it's well known how Muslims preach, but I could be wrong.

I'm not against speaking up when you recognize suspicious behaviour, and I wouldn't condemn the passengers here.
But after the security searched the men and everything and couldn't find anything suspicous why did they have to question these men for hours?

What should they've done with the seatbelt extensions?

Additionally, Muslims preach five times a day, and orthodox Muslims are very strict with their praying.
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Old 04-01-2007, 04:37 PM   #21
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So, If I as a white male was spoke of Saddam Hussein, cursed the United States, shouted in Arabic and then asked for a seat-belt extension and stowed it under my seat, that would not be suspicious in an boarding area or an airplane?

Now if I was simply "praying' - yes...that is not suspicious...but the combo sure is. This suit is absolute B.S.

There have been quite a few articles about how the organization that these Imans are from in Arizona are related to the 9/11 terrorists in a "Kevin Bacon Six Degrees of Seperation" way. If you are dumb enough to do the things they did BEYOND the prayer in an airport, then your frivilous lawsuit has no merit.
First of all, how much of this was hearsay? If they really stashed extenders, couldn't they have easily proven that? I didn't see that anywhere, also why would you hand someone an extender if it wasn't needed?

Secondly, Saddam Hussein? Seriously? I don't remember him being part of any terrorist plan. I've had discussions of Saddam, even at airports. And I have a hard time believing anyone would curse the US in an airport in English if they knew Arabic...
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Why is everything a race issue??? What would you classify a suspicious person? So we should not tell authorities of a suspicious person due to there color or religious belief. I am sure this was not an issue to the passengers until they were hearing there conversation. Please answer the questions above.
Where did I say we shouldn't tell authorities of suspicious behaviour? I didn't.

But the suspicious behavior all seemed pretty trumped up if you ask me. Look at my post above.
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First of all, how much of this was hearsay? If they really stashed extenders, couldn't they have easily proven that? I didn't see that anywhere, also why would you hand someone an extender if it wasn't needed?

Secondly, Saddam Hussein? Seriously? I don't remember him being part of any terrorist plan. I've had discussions of Saddam, even at airports. And I have a hard time believing anyone would curse the US in an airport in English if they knew Arabic...
How much of ANY of this is hearsay? If it was hearsay, would there be a denied boarding and a lawsuit? Probably not.

When someone asks you for an extender, you provide them with it. Otherwise you get into a disability lawsuit. The flight attendants saw them stashing them, and seated similar to how the 9/11 terrorists were seated, and chose to have them removed from the aircraft.

Remember, we are under a president who STILL states that Saddam and Iraq is at the center of terrorism. Right or wrong.

If it states they were cursing the U.S. - does it matter what language they are using in an airport?
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How much of ANY of this is hearsay? If it was hearsay, would there be a denied boarding and a lawsuit? Probably not.
Well they were boarded, then taken off correctly? And it does seem like some of this is hearsay because I haven't seen any evidence.

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When someone asks you for an extender, you provide them with it. Otherwise you get into a disability lawsuit. The flight attendants saw them stashing them, and seated similar to how the 9/11 terrorists were seated, and chose to have them removed from the aircraft.
I didn't see in the article that the extenders were found. That seems like it would be a huge piece of evidence, don't you? And was it not assigned seating? The only airline I've been on that doesn't have assigned seating is Southwest, but there are airlines that I've never flown before.
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Remember, we are under a president who STILL states that Saddam and Iraq is at the center of terrorism. Right or wrong.

If it states they were cursing the U.S. - does it matter what language they are using in an airport?
Does it matter what language? Yes, was this Joe Bob from Alabama that has no knowledge of Arabic that thought he heard them curse the US? Did they have thick accents and were misunderstood?

There just seems to be alot of evidence and information missing, that's all I'm saying.
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So, BVS if you saw all that going around you, you would feel 100% confident that you were about to have a safe flight?
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Seriously, there is no way sept 11 would ever happen again. The reason why it happened was the people on the plane didn't realised it was a total suicide mission.

I don't think people tattling on some immans as "caring" i think they are over the top hysterical people who need to think twice before opening their mouths.

Well there was the alleged suicide bomb plot last year to board 10 jumbo jets from Heathrow with liquid explosives using fake drinks bottles (including a bottle of baby's milk). It hasn't gone to trial yet and not all those arrested fitted the stereotypical "young Muslim men of Pakistani origin" profile - there was at least one white English male involved.

I bet though that anyone intent on causing such carnage would try to do everything to ensure that they DIDN'T draw any undue attention to themselves until it was too late so public prayers and so on beforehand would be out of the question.
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So, BVS if you saw all that going around you, you would feel 100% confident that you were about to have a safe flight?
The only thing I would find alarming is the stashing of the extender and I would report that. Other than that it all seems like paranoia.
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I bet though that anyone intent on causing such carnage would try to do everything to ensure that they DIDN'T draw any undue attention to themselves until it was too late so public prayers and so on beforehand would be out of the question.
Exactly that's why I find this story so fishy. Let's face it, the men who pull off these attacks aren't dumb, they know that cursing the US and praying will get attention.
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Exactly that's why I find this story so fishy. Let's face it, the men who pull off these attacks aren't dumb, they know that cursing the US and praying will get attention.
So they were "Fishing" for a lawsuit? Testing the whole security program?

Why would you go and do that?
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Well they were boarded, then taken off correctly? And it does seem like some of this is hearsay because I haven't seen any evidence.



I didn't see in the article that the extenders were found. That seems like it would be a huge piece of evidence, don't you? And was it not assigned seating? The only airline I've been on that doesn't have assigned seating is Southwest, but there are airlines that I've never flown before.


Does it matter what language? Yes, was this Joe Bob from Alabama that has no knowledge of Arabic that thought he heard them curse the US? Did they have thick accents and were misunderstood?

There just seems to be alot of evidence and information missing, that's all I'm saying.
I have been following this article since it happened. I am only aware of what has been reported in the news. The reporters took the information from the arrest reports. If people are providing false information on what they saw to police, then, I guess that brings up another point.

I brought up the language piece because you brought it up. "...if they knew Arabic." These gentlemen were from Arizona. They were headed home - back to Arizona.

As for assigned seating, they were flying U.S. Airways/America West. I have no idea how they were assigned. Yes, they could have been assigned, but previous articles have mentioned that they switched seats quite a bit when they got on the aircraft.

Again, their group had been related back to a few of the 9/11 terrorists too. I will have to dig up that article.
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