Space Exploration and Climate Change - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-02-2007, 12:48 PM   #1
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 06:23 PM
Space Exploration and Climate Change

Quote:
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human- induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said. Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.
link

Read the whole thing, the rotational effects seem to be the forcing mechanism.
__________________

__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 03-02-2007, 03:33 PM   #2
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 02:23 AM
Quote:
GMTV 22 Feb 07

Global warming concerns are keeping children awake at night
Half of young children are anxious about the effects of global warming, often losing sleep because of their concern, according to a new report today.

A survey of 1,150 youngsters aged between seven and 11 found that one in four blamed politicians for the problems of climate change.

Are you doing enough?

One in seven of those questioned by supermarket giant Somerfield said their own parents were not doing enough to improve the environment.

The most feared consequences of global warming included poor health, the possible submergence of entire countries and the welfare of animals.

"While many adults may look the other way, this study should show that global warming is not only hurting the children of the future, it's affecting the welfare of kids now.

"By raising awareness amongst today's young, hopefully we are improving our chances of reaching a solution.''
For the sake of "the children", stop muddying the issue. The debate is over. Global-warming, I mean climate change, is caused by man. Computer animation proves it. Leonardo DiCaprio has certified the science. What more do you "deniers" want?

Variances in the Sun's energy output may result in observable temperature changes throughout the solar system--- that's just crazy-talk.
__________________

__________________
INDY500 is offline  
Old 03-02-2007, 03:38 PM   #3
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,471
Local Time: 03:23 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by INDY500

Variances in the Sun's energy output may result in observable temperature changes throughout the solar system--- that's just crazy-talk.


so is looking for an excuse-ready, monocausal explanation for a complex system that has a variety of influencing factors not least of which is the well documented, indisputable effect that the burning of fossil fuels has on the climate, and the disasterous effects to follow if people continue to peruse Drudge headlines for any semblance of a non-manmade cause for global warming in order to excuse their behavior.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 03-02-2007, 04:23 PM   #4
The Male
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 65,789
Local Time: 12:23 AM
__________________


Now.
LemonMelon is offline  
Old 03-02-2007, 06:08 PM   #5
War Child
 
MaxFisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 776
Local Time: 08:23 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irvine511
so is looking for an excuse-ready, monocausal explanation for a complex system that has a variety of influencing factors not least of which is the well documented, indisputable effect that the burning of fossil fuels has on the climate, and the disasterous effects to follow if people continue to peruse Drudge headlines for any semblance of a non-manmade cause for global warming in order to excuse their behavior.
half the topics on this forum originate from articles posted on Drudge.
__________________
MaxFisher is offline  
Old 03-02-2007, 06:31 PM   #6
Jesus Online
 
Angela Harlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1969
Location: a glass castle
Posts: 30,163
Local Time: 07:23 PM
Re: Space Exploration and Climate Change

Quote:
Originally posted by A_Wanderer
"one scientist's controversial theory"
__________________
<a href=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/angelaharlem/thPaul_Roos28.jpg target=_blank>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...aul_Roos28.jpg</a>
Angela Harlem is offline  
Old 03-02-2007, 07:39 PM   #7
ONE
love, blood, life
 
financeguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
Posts: 10,122
Local Time: 09:23 AM
I will try to read the article over the weekend.

One point I would make in passing is that even if global warming is not caused by carbon emissions, reducing emissions from motor vehicles is surely a good objective to pursue regardless, given the health problems they cause.
__________________
financeguy is offline  
Old 03-02-2007, 07:48 PM   #8
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
trevster2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,330
Local Time: 04:53 AM
I wonder if they will consider banning drive thrus as a method of reducing carbon emissions. Cars spend a lot of time sitting in long lines waiting for a coffee.

I never use drive thrus myself, it's a small thing but I think it reduces my footprint.
__________________
trevster2k is offline  
Old 03-04-2007, 01:28 PM   #9
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,471
Local Time: 03:23 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by MaxFisher


half the topics on this forum originate from articles posted on Drudge.


yes, nearly always the denialists.

hasn't anyone noticed the pattern? Drudge pulls up anything -- and i mean ANYTHING -- that might give someone, somewhere, an excuse to continue to drive a guilt-free SUV.
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 03-04-2007, 01:34 PM   #10
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Zoots's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: the great beyond
Posts: 36,802
Local Time: 10:23 AM
It may be true but that doesn't mean people can't be more environmentally conscious!
__________________
Zoots is offline  
Old 03-04-2007, 11:13 PM   #11
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irvine511




yes, nearly always the denialists.

hasn't anyone noticed the pattern? Drudge pulls up anything -- and i mean ANYTHING -- that might give someone, somewhere, an excuse to continue to drive a guilt-free SUV.
The minute size of my personal carbon footprint regardless of what I do in my lifetime is more than enough to ameliorate quasi-religious eco-guilt.
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 03-06-2007, 12:51 PM   #12
Acrobat
 
Billy Rotten's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Maritimes
Posts: 454
Local Time: 05:23 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by financeguy
I will try to read the article over the weekend.

One point I would make in passing is that even if global warming is not caused by carbon emissions, reducing emissions from motor vehicles is surely a good objective to pursue regardless, given the health problems they cause.

Hear Hear
__________________
Billy Rotten is offline  
Old 03-07-2007, 09:59 AM   #13
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 02:23 AM
Quote:
Misty Harris, CanWest News Service
Published: Tuesday, March 06, 2007

You've heard of green cars, green tourism and green weddings. Now Canadians should ready themselves for green sex.

The famed adult store Good Vibrations announced last week they would no longer sell sex toys containing phthalates, controversial chemical plasticizers believed by some to be hazardous to humans and the environment alike."It feels like people are just waking up to the fact the planet is suffering under our uses of it," says Rebecca Denk.

"We have to look at every piece of our lives, including our sexuality, and ask: How is this healthy for me, and how is this healthy for the planet?" says Denk. "Hopefully, we're all becoming better global citizens."

Other ways of "greenwashing" the bedroom, as outlined by TreeHugger and Greenpeace, include turning out the lights, not buying PVC or vinyl accoutrements, ensuring S&M paddles are made from sustainably harvested timber, using organic massage oils, showering together, using bamboo bed sheets (they come from a rapidly renewable resource and are said to be "super sexy"), and wearing lingerie made with renewable fibres such as hemp (Enamore), bamboo (Butta) and other organic goodness (GreenKnickers, Buenostyle, Peau Ethique).

Camille Labchuk, speaking on behalf of the Green Party of Canada, gives the movement two green thumbs-up.
Anybody out there wanna brag about the carbon footprint of their dildo?
__________________
INDY500 is offline  
Old 03-07-2007, 10:16 AM   #14
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,471
Local Time: 03:23 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by INDY500


Anybody out there wanna brag about the carbon footprint of their dildo?


interesting how this was a Drudge link this morning, but nothing on the Libby verdict?

but i do love Drudge's desperate attempts to toss out anything, ANYTHING, for a denialist to hold on to. like, today, because it happened to snow a little bit this morning in DC (after being nearly 60 degrees last weekend), here's one of the scremaing, blaring, whoo-whoo-whoo headlines:

[q]NOT AGAIN! DC 'Snow Advisory' Issued on Day of Congressional Global Warming Hearing...
[/q]

oh no! snow! in early March! in the northeast! NOT AGAIN!!!!!!!

and where were the alarmist headlines in January when it was in the mid-50s?
__________________
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 03-07-2007, 10:56 AM   #15
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 02:23 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Irvine511


and where were the alarmist headlines in January when it was in the mid-50s?
Why, crowded out by all the alarmist stories from your POV.

Quote:
By BILL BLAKEMORE

Jan. 6, 2007 — It was expected to reach into the 70s today in New York City. Cherry blossoms were blooming in Washington, D.C.

Is there a connection between the January heat wave that is sweeping the East Coast and man-made global warming?


Scientists say yes — in this way: What they know for sure is the warm winter fits the pattern, exactly, that has long been predicted for manmade global warming of more and more frequent unseasonable warm spells.
Or this really captures it
Quote:
By Joel Achenbach
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, January 7, 2007; D01


Never has good weather felt so bad. Never have flowers inspired so much fear. Never has the warm caress of a sunbeam seemed so ominous. The weather is sublime, it's glorious, it's the end of the world.

January is the new March. The daffodils are busting out everywhere. It's porch weather. Put on a T-shirt and shorts, fire up the grill, blast "Rastaman Vibration" into the back yard. Everyone out for volleyball! The normal high for this time of year is 43 degrees; yesterday's high at Reagan National was a record-breaking 73. And yet it's all a guilty pleasure. Weather is both a physical and a psychological phenomenon. Meteorology, meet eschatology. We've read the articles, we've seen the Gore movie, we've calculated our carbon footprint, and we're just not intellectually capable anymore of fully enjoying warm winter weather. Just ain't right. Ain't natural. Cherry blossoms during the NFL playoffs? Run for your lives.

"Amazing, but it makes me think we might not be here too much longer, because of global warming," said Laura Ingoldsby, a grad student getting ready for a jog on the towpath at Fletcher's Boathouse.

"I think it's a bit scary. It's too warm," said Ellie Motazedi of Bethesda as she paused during a bike ride.

"Days like this, I worry about global warming, and we're not doing anything about it," said Coby Dolan, an attorney basking in the sunshine on the porch of the clubhouse at the Hains Point golf course. Let the record reflect that he did not appear to be suffering.
__________________

__________________
INDY500 is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com