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Old 07-18-2002, 02:29 PM   #1
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In the true spirit of "Free Your Mind" I've decided to learn more about ideas/opinions which I would normally reject without a huge amount of consideration. So, bearing in mind that I'm pretty left-wing (or liberal as some people describe it), would some of the conservative people care to post some links to websites they often get their political information from so I can learn more about your arguments. I can't promise I'll agree with a word of it, but at least then I won't be guilty of not educating myself about different points of view.

Besides, I figure we're all more likely to have friendly and civilised discussions if we better understand what people think/why they think it. Anyone agree?
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Can i just ask something and be nosey?

What is a conservative and what is a liberal??

Whats the difference/ Are the political parties like our political parties i.e. sein Fein, SDLP, PUP, etc etc etc??????

sorry for being nosey FW
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Old 07-18-2002, 02:54 PM   #3
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Can i just ask something and be nosey?

What is a conservative and what is a liberal??

Whats the difference/ Are the political parties like our political parties i.e. sein Fein, SDLP, PUP, etc etc etc??????

sorry for being nosey FW
Well, in the US the Republican party are conservatives and the Democrats are liberals. (Some people would disagree, but that's true as a general rule)

Of that parties you mention, I think all the Unionist parties are conservative and both Sinn Fein and (to a lesser degree) the SDLP are more liberal.

Does that answer your question at all? Sorry if I've just confused you even more.
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Well, in the US the Republican party are conservatives and the Democrats are liberals. (Some people would disagree, but that's true as a general rule)

Of that parties you mention, I think all the Unionist parties are conservative and both Sinn Fein and (to a lesser degree) the SDLP are more liberal.

Does that answer your question at all? Sorry if I've just confused you even more.
see im a bit stupid- what *IS* a conservative party? What do they want you know what are there principles bla bla bla?

How come the republican parties are more liberal?

blarg i dont understand politics...sorry FW i think im more confused
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So, bearing in mind that I'm pretty left-wing (or liberal as some people describe it),

I think the term you specifically used to describe yourself was 'Socialist'...

I'll send ya a few...

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see im a bit stupid- what *IS* a conservative party? What do they want you know what are there principles bla bla bla?

How come the republican parties are more liberal?

blarg i dont understand politics...sorry FW i think im more confused
Conservative parties usually favour low taxes, minimal welfare state (ie health, social security etc), very strict policing (for instance, would rather see people who commit drug-related crimes sent to prison than given treatment), traditional social values (ie against letting gay couples adopt children, view a family of wife, husband and children as ideal).

Liberal parties believe higher taxes are acceptable in order to provide better public services, the think we should have social security benefits for people who can't find work or are unable to work, and are usually less 'traditonal' than conservatives in that they're more accepting of people having children without being married, or in favour of protecting people from discrimination because of their sexuality.

I know there are going to be people who disagree with those descriptions, so you'll probably want to read a conservative's response to this to see what they think conservatism means.
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oooh im learning and i now understand!

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Conservative parties usually favour low taxes, minimal welfare state (ie health, social security etc), very strict policing (for instance, would rather see people who commit drug-related crimes sent to prison than given treatment), traditional social values (ie against letting gay couples adopt children, view a family of wife, husband and children as ideal).

Liberal parties believe higher taxes are acceptable in order to provide better public services, the think we should have social security benefits for people who can't find work or are unable to work, and are usually less 'traditonal' than conservatives in that they're more accepting of people having children without being married, or in favour of protecting people from discrimination because of their sexuality.

I know there are going to be people who disagree with those descriptions, so you'll probably want to read a conservative's response to this to see what they think conservatism means.
WOW-- omg that helped so much LOL

I think thats like the tories and the labour party in Britain but i dont think Sein Feinn and PUP etc have control over our taxes here.

Oh and one more question- Why would Liberals & Conservatives argue in the US- is this really a big deal???


i think I would be a liberal- they have better values and dont stick with whats traditional except high taxes but despite that i think i would be a liberal :idea:

Thanks FW


EDIT- one more thing i promise- know the way you said liberals want social security for liberals for ppl who dont have work- do the conservatives not want to give them money???? Thats just wrong! Very wrong

Oh yeh and ONE moooore questioin! PROMISE- who r in power at the moment the libs or the conservs?
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Oh yeh and ONE moooore questioin! PROMISE- who r in power at the moment the libs or the conservs?
i believe the conservatives (republicans) are in power right now...i'm not sure about the percentages of each party in senate and the house, but i know our president is a republican. i *think* usually the majority party in power tends to be whatever party has a president in office. clinton was a liberal, and i believe it was mostly democrats in office from 92-00. but i could be wrong. i was like 10 when he was elected so i wasn't that much into politics.
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i believe the conservatives (republicans) are in power right now...i'm not sure about the percentages of each party in senate and the house, but i know our president is a republican. i *think* usually the majority party in power tends to be whatever party has a president in office. clinton was a liberal, and i believe it was mostly democrats in office from 92-00. but i could be wrong. i was like 10 when he was elected so i wasn't that much into politics.
conservatives libs democrat...so much to take in

Ok and can i ask more questions?? *please dont shout at me for asking so much quivers in little Dm boots (they are red! )*

Im taking it a republican in Us is not same as it is here???

Republican here is a catholic and then you have the loyalist parties who are protestant.
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I think thats like the tories and the labour party in Britain but i dont think Sein Feinn and PUP etc have control over our taxes here.


Yeah, that's right - the Tories are conservatives and Labour are liberals. (But like I said, conservative/liberal are used more in the US - in Britain Labour describe themselves as "social democrats" but that's just a difference of words more than anything else.) Do you live in Northern Ireland? If you do then Sinn Fein/PUP/Ulster Unionists have some control of taxes etc through the Legislative Assembly, but the British government at Westminster also have a lot of control and the Sinn Fein/SDLP/Ulster Unionist MPs have less input there.

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Oh and one more question- Why would Liberals & Conservatives argue in the US- is this really a big deal???


Well, there are loads of other issues liberals and conservatives disagree about (stuff like foreign policy, aid to other countries, lots of other things) so they have plenty to argue about

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EDIT- one more thing i promise- know the way you said liberals want social security for liberals for ppl who dont have work- do the conservatives not want to give them money???? Thats just wrong! Very wrong


Most conservatives don't think we should have absolutely no social security, but they generally think it should be more limited than liberals do. Sometimes conservatives argue that people who are unemployed should be helped by charities etc rather than the government, but I think most conservatives do acknowledge that government has a responsibility to people who can't find work or who aren't able to work, they just like to see more limits/restrictions on it than liberals do

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Oh yeh and ONE moooore questioin! PROMISE- who r in power at the moment the libs or the conservs?
I'm not sure where you live, but in Britain it's liberals - Labour. In Northern Ireland it's a bit more complicated because the Assembly was set up as part of the Good Friday Agreement and one of the conditions of that was that any decisions it makes have to have the support of Unionists and Republicans so technically neither are "in power" but the Unionists (ie conservatives) do have a majority which is why David Trimble is the First Minister.

Am I making any sense here? Sorry - I'm not the best person to explain stuff so feel free to tell me if I'm just confusing you even more
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Ok and can i ask more questions?? *please dont shout at me for asking so much quivers in little Dm boots (they are red! )*

Im taking it a republican in Us is not same as it is here???

Republican here is a catholic and then you have the loyalist parties who are protestant.
Keep asking questions, nobody's going to shout at you

And you're right that US Republicans aren't the same as Irish republicans. In the US if you say you're a Republican you mean you're a member of the Republican party (ie the conservative party) whereas as you already know in Ireland if you're a Republican it means you think all 32 counties of Ireland should be one country instead of Britain controlling the six counties.

There's not as much political division along religious lines in the US either, unlike in Ireland.
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In the true spirit of "Free Your Mind" I've decided to learn more about ideas/opinions which I would normally reject without a huge amount of consideration. So, bearing in mind that I'm pretty left-wing (or liberal as some people describe it), would some of the conservative people care to post some links to websites they often get their political information from so I can learn more about your arguments. I can't promise I'll agree with a word of it, but at least then I won't be guilty of not educating myself about different points of view.

Besides, I figure we're all more likely to have friendly and civilised discussions if we better understand what people think/why they think it. Anyone agree?
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Lara - Great questions! I know next to nothing about political parties outside my country, but you're inspiring me to find a bit out.

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Lara - Great questions! I know next to nothing about political parties outside my country, but you're inspiring me to find a bit out.

im quite interested!

FW-ur a very good teacher im not confused anymore & now ill understand FYM threads!

i live in n.ireland- i like the way u pick parties b/c of their principles- i know here next year ill prob pick a party of my religion.

I cant believeppl think the government shouldnt help out ppl as much without jobs!

Scandless- Id be a lib me tinks

Thanks again FW!!!!
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I cant believeppl think the government shouldnt help out ppl as much without jobs!
well, I believe there are some who would consider it scandalous for the government to pay people to sit around and do nothing. So really, there are two sides to every issue.

Myself...I fall somewhere in the middle, I think.

*edited to add this comment* Spiral, you crack me up! Nice link.
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