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Old 04-23-2002, 06:57 PM   #16
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80s, I wouldn't necessarily worry too much about it. I think your arguments are semantical, and jesseu2, I think, was simply venting towards that certain kind of "Christian," not all Christians. In anger, I see myself capable of making statements of the same sort, but not ultimately meaning the most extreme interpretation of it.

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80s, I wouldn't necessarily worry too much about it. I think your arguments are semantical, and jesseu2, I think, was simply venting towards that certain kind of "Christian," not all Christians. Melon
I understand ya, melon. I agree with you that jesseu2 probably didn't mean those things the way they sound. I'm just suggesting that maybe he should be more careful the way he words things next time, because a statement like "the nightmare ends when Christians are gone" doesn't seem very nice.
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JesseU2 I know personally.
JesseU2=Righteousness Personified.


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Jesse, you live in Arizona, right? I'm surprised that Campus Crusade type movement is so prevalent over there. I live in the bible belt and rarely see people getting together to watch "christian flicks".

Anyway, you believe in a god and you seem like a decent person. Kinda like me. Unfortunately, the extreme christians want everyone to be extreme. It's sad and it will never happen.

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P.S. You speak of porno. What is your favorite film? LOL
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I donít find Jesseís remarks anti-Christian or even anti religious.
Nor do I...

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And "Deep," I think he edited most of the slang before most people read it; it WASN'T necessarily anti-Christian slang...
(emphasis added).

My original comments were relative to the slang that would be considered "homophobic" by some of today's standards. It had nothing to do with religious sensitivity.

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U2bama,

I agree, not the best choice of words. I see he did do some editing.

However, regarding what others have focused on:
"the nightmare ends when Christians are gone" doesn't seem very nice.

In the context of the entire post I read that to mean: the self-righteous people who keep invading his space.

Now about that flick. I went to the movie data base and looked up ďA Distant ThunderĒ. Itís a 1978 movie.

Summary: Armageddon and bell bottoms.

Sequel to "A Thief in the Night", this one answers the question: Does Patty sell her soul to Satan? This is the best of the four movies; it's creepy, full of unintended humor, spookiness, and has a funky twist at the end. Accept Jesus into your heart now, before the rapture, or you'll have to hang out with crying high school girls for seven years.

See what we have missed, sounds very entertaining.
Dare I say, a cult classic.
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Sounds good to me. Maybe we should call this. Donít ask, but if asked, tell.

What's wrong with asking someone about his or her views on spiritual matters, as long as it's done politely?

I'm quite comfortable discussing my faith (in person, not just on bulletin boards), as long as the other person isn't grilling me in a hostile manner (or stalking me after I turn away). As long as you treat the other person the way you'd like to be treated, I don't see what's wrong with bringing up faith and religion in a conversation.

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There has been some good discussion in this thread.

Little brother, where'd you go.

Do you have anything else to add or has it all been said?


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Old 04-24-2002, 04:17 PM   #25
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Religion and faith is a beautiful concept..... It should never be used in a forceful manner or an explicit manner..... But, PLEASE DON'T USE GOD'S OR PROPHETS NAME IN VAIN....... IF YOU RESPECT THE RELIGION OR FAITH, THEN DO THAT.
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i've been busy with exams and been sick, sorry i haven't responded to y'all yet...

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though i can see where your coming from, i still think your conscience is bothering you.

afterall, christians arent all bad ya know...

yep, my conscience always tells me things. i know christians aren't bad, they are annoying however.


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Jesse,
Passionate believers have approached me in similar ways, like you described. I donít blame you for being upset. I no longer allow them to waste my time. Next time just tell them, ďNo thank you, I have no interest.Ē These people have nothing to do with your salvation.

I didn'think of telling them "no thank you..." because i feel like i need to be nice cuz i don't want them to think i have a Sinful mind, which i do. hmm, i guess i'll tell em differently now cuz who do they think they are trying to pull that trip on me.

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College campuses are always ripe for cults and fanatics. The Woronieckis (a.k.a., Andrea Yates' cult leader) visit my old campus regularly. And boy...literally everyone is going to hell according to that lunatic.
Melon

I have seen similar persons telling groups of people outside on my campus they're going to hell. it's a disgrace.

foray: of course i don't get upset when sales girls ask me about calogne or perume,

to foray an all:

i'm not anti-christian, I just wish they would do their things and 'street evangelism' differently in a way that wouldn't annoy the non-religious peoples.

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BTW, I ride a electronic scooter to get around campus because i get tired of walking...

Most of them do come up to me an only me when theres other people around. the reason i'm mad is because they first see me with a condition an they think i need a bible thump when i'm not into their religion to the extremes they go thru. my conscience says "please go AWAY an bible thump someone else but not me cuz of my disability" but it's the opposite an it really bugs me. Even if its not my disability, still bothers me. IMO, believers should come tO them instead if them annoying the non-believers. i'm not judging christ or his believers but i'd love it if they went about their beliefs differently. i know christians care about me but please don't care in a religious way like "god or jesus loves you", really makes me sick when i hear that towards me. i'm ok with something like "i'm proud of your accomplishments". i know jesus loves me in my heart, i don't need people telling me that. however, i feel i don't need his faith because i feel i can make it on my own. The reason i say the past sentence is because for the first time yesterday, i met a girl who understands me for who i am instead of my physical appearance, therefore; i feel loved, finally. Didn't have to mention anything religiousto impress this girl.

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Do you think people would subject themselves to that if they didn't really believe in Christ and care about what happens to you?
Could you rephrase this?

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Jesse, you live in Arizona, right? I'm surprised that Campus Crusade type movement is so prevalent over there. I live in the bible belt and rarely see people getting together to watch "christian flicks".

Anyway, you believe in a god and you seem like a decent person. Kinda like me. Unfortunately, the extreme christians want everyone to be extreme. It's sad and it will never happen.

Dan

P.S. You speak of porno. What is your favorite film? LOL
Yea, i'm in Arizona. they have a campus crusade club at my college that some guys i known for a while try to get me to join it but i pass it up. True on the 2nd paragraph.

heh, i remember looking at your "From:" info. my fave is "Where the boys aren't 7". yours?
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i'm ok with something like "i'm proud of your accomplishments". i know jesus loves me in my heart, i don't need people telling me that. however, i feel i don't need his faith because i feel i can make it on my own. The reason i say the past sentence is because for the first time yesterday, i met a girl who understands me for who i am instead of my physical appearance, therefore; i feel loved, finally.
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Do you think people would subject themselves to that if they didn't really believe in Christ and care about what happens to you?
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Could you rephrase this?
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You're right when you say in effect that the methods of witnessing some people use can really turn people away. All Christians should follow Christ's methods. He loved them first, he had genuine concern for them.
I am glad that you met such a sweet girl. I live with my 23 year old nephew, who has a moderate case of cerebral palsy, and I wish he would find someone like that.
I will gladly rephrase my question. I will turn it into a statement:
My point is that Christians are called names and ridiculed all the time when they openly share their faith; in fact, in some other countries, they are jailed or even put to death. My point is that 2 things generally drive Christian to evangelizing;
1)Love for God
2)Love for other people
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I'm sorry but I'm going to add guilt or fear to that list...

Ideally the person who shares the gospel is a mature Christian with a bit of common sense...knowing when to speak...when to shut up...and how to read certain people to see if they are interested...

Too many churches take new immature Christians and thrust them right out there into the 'misssion field' with no experience of any kind...and they are usually the over zealous ones who bumble and fall. They are frightened into thinking they are disobeying God if they don't witness in a particular way..

I'm not saying they don't love God or the person they are talking to...I'm just saying they are sent out before they are ready...or for the wrong reasons..

I have been there...and done that and seen it done over and over...these people should be allowed to grow up a little spiritually before they are sent out to do serious evangelizing....

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