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Old 12-06-2005, 11:06 PM   #31
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Indeed. It's interesting to see the scathing criticism from those who have never actually had to run a church service, let alone one that has to accommodate thousands of attendees.

It's interesting to see that you know how many in here have or don't have any experience.
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:11 PM   #32
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But this is what many of them are doing the other 364 days of the year. Shouldn't we be able to call out their hypocricy? We're looking at what esentially is the birth of their religion and they are closing? Yet it's ok for them to bitch the whole month how secular schools aren't allowing Christmas parties? It's ridiculous.
What is the hypocricy? Many churches hold services only on Christmas Eve - but I guess your new rule is that they must also hold them on Christmas Day, or that they must hold them on every Sunday.

I'm quite surprised with the hypocricy card - your own prior stances that we should not declare what is "proper Christianity" must not apply. I guess that only applies when it fits your political argument.
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Yes, but this is what they do. Many mega churches, will have different staff doing different services from the Eve and the Sunday.
Most churches this large run on a staff that is 90% volunteer, and asking volunteers to miss large portions of their Christmas day is difficult. I'm already having an extremely hard time getting proper staffing for our Christmas Eve services.

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[B]But this is what many of them are doing the other 364 days of the year. Shouldn't we be able to call out their hypocricy? We're looking at what esentially is the birth of their religion and they are closing? Yet it's ok for them to bitch the whole month how secular schools aren't allowing Christmas parties? It's ridiculous.B]
This is assuming that the individuals who canceled the services are the same indivuals who "bitch the whole month how secular schools aren't allowing Christmas parties."
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this discussion is ridiculous. rail against homophobia or something, I fully support that. but this is just stupid...
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:15 PM   #35
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It's interesting to see that you know how many in here have or don't have any experience.
Prove me wrong, then. Anyone who has experience running and staffing a church service for mulitple thousands of people on a largely volunteer staff please speak up.

Seriously, speak up. I'm having a terrible time getting ready for Christmas, and I need some help. I need ideas!
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What is the hypocricy? Many churches hold services only on Christmas Eve - but I guess your new rule is that they must also hold them on Christmas Day, or that they must hold them on every Sunday.

I'm quite surprised with the hypocricy card - your own prior stances that we should not declare what is "proper Christianity" must not apply. I guess that only applies when it fits your political argument.
I have no new rule. The new rule seems to be when Christmas day falls on Sunday, we may not get our numbers therefore we're closing.

Growing up went to Christmas eve, and then Sunday service, when they coincided we didn't cancel.





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Many churches hold services only on Christmas Eve - but I guess your new rule is that they must also hold them on Christmas Day, or that they must hold them on every Sunday.
I'm a little confused. You are right most protestant churches don't have Christmas services, but I've never heard of one not having service every Sunday?



This isn't a new rule or political statement. This is the birth of the reason for the Church, why aren't they celebrating it?
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This is the birth of the reason for the Church, why aren't they celebrating it?
They are, on Christmas Eve. I'm confused on why that is a problem for you. Do you attend one of these churches?
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Most churches this large run on a staff that is 90% volunteer, and asking volunteers to miss large portions of their Christmas day is difficult. I'm already having an extremely hard time getting proper staffing for our Christmas Eve services.
I'm not trying to be unsympathetic to these people, believe me I understand. For years I was on staff and volunteered as an usher for a fairly large church.


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This is assuming that the individuals who canceled the services are the same indivuals who "bitch the whole month how secular schools aren't allowing Christmas parties."
True this is an assumption, but one that comes from the fact that some of the loudest have been preachers from churches like these in the article.
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True this is an assumption, but one that comes from the fact that some of the loudest have been preachers from churches like these in the article.
"Preachers from churches LIKE THESE" and the actual preachers of these churches are two different things.

Deep breath. . . .

No offense to you BVS. It's just that I'm close to some of the lead pastors of churches mentioned in this article. I know them and I know their hearts, and this criticism is unfair and offbase.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by stammer476
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They are, on Christmas Eve. I'm confused on why that is a problem for you.
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For many there is a separation between the two services. But oh well...

Originally posted by stammer476

Do you attend one of these churches?
Hell no.
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"Preachers from churches LIKE THESE" and the actual preachers of these churches are two different things.

Deep breath. . . .

No offense to you BVS. It's just that I'm close to some of the lead pastors of churches mentioned in this article. I know them and I know their hearts, and this criticism is unfair and offbase.
Well then I will say no more. I do have experience with one of these churches and was very disturbed with what I saw.
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Prove me wrong, then. Anyone who has experience running and staffing a church service for mulitple thousands of people on a largely volunteer staff please speak up.

Seriously, speak up. I'm having a terrible time getting ready for Christmas, and I need some help. I need ideas!
Nuns.

They have nothing better to do on Christmas.

No, seriously, I go to a Catholic Church and they pretty much keep it running. They run the choir (both children's and adult), they are in charge of the music and play the instruments themselves, they run the mailing list, they put out the weekly Church bulletin/newspaper, they organize the first communion and confirmation classes, they decorate the church for Christmas along with parishioner volunteers, they organize the bake sales, run the children's Christmas play, run the United Way Christmas collection, organize the order of the readings and search for volunteers and so on.

Without them, I don't think the church would run nearly as smoothly and they've devoted their entire lives to it. I have a lot of respect for the Sisters.
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Well then I will say no more. I do have experience with one of these churches and was very disturbed with what I saw.
I'm interested in what happened. Seriously. I want to make sure that churches I am a part of don't repeat other's mistakes.

But that's another time and another thread. But there still is email . . .
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Nuns.

They have nothing better to do on Christmas.

No, seriously, I go to a Catholic Church and they pretty much keep it running. They run the choir (both children's and adult), they are in charge of the music and play the instruments themselves, they run the mailing list, they put out the weekly Church bulletin/newspaper, they organize the first communion and confirmation classes, they decorate the church for Christmas along with parishioner volunteers, they organize the bake sales, run the children's Christmas play, run the United Way Christmas collection, organize the order of the readings and search for volunteers and so on.

Without them, I don't think the church would run nearly as smoothly and they've devoted their entire lives to it. I have a lot of respect for the Sisters.
They sound wonderful. What I wouldn't give for some nuns! (Never thought I'd write those words )

But from someone who's in the thick of this right now, I can say that our volunteers are stretched to max, and I'm still a little unsure of how our Christmas services are going to work. Between family coming into town, increased expectations from spouses/children, special traditions, and other holiday things, we just don't have near the available staff that we would on any other Sunday of the year. We're short on musicians, we can't get enough people to set up, and don't even get me started on childcare. And this is just for Christmas Eve!

All I'm asking is that we take a walk in other people's shoes for a minute. The reality of this situation for these churches is not as smiple (or evil ) as we'd like to make it.
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Making plans to attend Christmas Eve services, if you care.
What about Christmas day services (seeing as it's a Sunday and all)?


I kid, I kid, I honestly don't care if or when you (or anyone else) go to church. But I just couldn't let that one pass.....
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