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Old 07-20-2006, 05:46 PM   #61
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do we have the same reaction to the facial expressions of the men of the opposition party that we do to the woman of the opposition party?

or is it that so many men look at powerful women and are reminded of their disapproving mommies?
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Old 07-20-2006, 06:14 PM   #62
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or is it that so many men look at powerful women and are reminded of their disapproving mommies?
No they're just reminded that they're not always in charge, not always superior beings-that sort of thing.
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As far as Obama goes...sounds too close to Osama for the average American.




Was that a joke?




That was a joke, right?




...Right?



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Re: Re: So, who wants Hillary Clinton for president?

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I find this hilarious. I don't think I've ever heard of a man running for president be discredited for widely being known as an asshole.
John McCain was widely considered an "asshole" during the 2000 primary elections. A big issue at the time was his supposed irritable temperament, which he has clearly moderated since then.

So is it completely out-of-bounds to refer to any female policitian, business person, etc. as a "bitch", no matter the circumstances, since its automatically sexist?

And for those who asked if anyone has ever "seen" Hillary acting like a bitch, since most of us have never met her in person, we can only rely on accounts from those who have had interaction with her. There have been numerous print accounts of Hillary's "bitchy" behaviour (Dick Morris, President Clinton's election advisor, wrote a largely unflattering book on her entitled "Rewriting History"). Now, I don't believe everything I read, but if only a portion of these accounts are true, she would qualify for this adjective.
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For the registered independent like myself, praying for a viable third party:

There isn't a possible scenario that could make a Hillary Clinton- (pick a running mate) ticket any worse than anything else.
Period.

She's a controlling bitch (whatever you'd like to say) whatever her stereotype is, she has an attachement to success in American politics that hasn't been seen in a long time.

At this point, if the Dems can find a way (I doubt they will) to remind people of the Clinton Presidency as opposed to 8 years of Bush, they'll win handily.

America is no more or less conservative than it was in 1996, but competency goes a long fucking way. Give people a clear choice and they'll decide. That's what Rove did. He drew the lines so distintcly that either he's going to lose because people don't buy it, or he'll win because people bought it for lack of an alternative.
Throw in some special sauce, like hating on the homos, in pivotal states, these sceanrios can't be predicted very well. The scenarios of 2008 we don't know yet. Hillary is as good of a candidate right now as anyone, and someone saying otherwise hasn't learned anything about how this bullshit works. All they've got to do is figure out how they are going to sell her, make a new stereotype.
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If i could vote in America.....I would vote for her
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I don't think Hillary is electable. That's because I don't think Americans would elect a woman president. It's silly, look at all of the other countries that have elected a female leader. I don't know why America can't catch up with Turkey and the United Kingdom.
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Yeah given the sexist attitudes in the other thread, I'm not that shocked...
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I don't think Hillary is electable. That's because I don't think Americans would elect a woman president. It's silly, look at all of the other countries that have elected a female leader. I don't know why America can't catch up with Turkey and the United Kingdom.
Hillary is not the only potential female candidate for president. Lack of support for Hillary is not sexism.
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Lack of support for Hillary is not sexism.
I don't think anyone is claiming so...
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I do get the impression Hillary Clinton is opportunistic and likes power. But so are most other politicians, regardless of gender, so I don't see why she should get singled out for it.
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I do get the impression Hillary Clinton is opportunistic and likes power. But so are most other politicians, regardless of gender, so I don't see why she should get singled out for it.
I agree. Politicians are in politics mostly because they like power. I hate to sound cynical, but that's what I believe.
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give me some one i can vote for who will;

not spend most of the time on vacation

improve the standard of living for 85% of us who aren't rich

have an IQ over 85

work hard to further progress cures for disease

bring jobs back to America

not use soldiers as pawns

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is there such a person?
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The world watches, hoping just such a person is waiting in the wings, ready to take on the Herculean job that lies ahead of the next president.
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she gave a great speech opposing torture yesterday.

she's got more balls than McCain, who's completely caved and given George Bush the power to interpret the Geneva Convention as he, The Decider, deems fit.

unconscionable. unspeakable.

watch the Hillary speech. she sounds downright presidential.

i'm warming up to her.
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