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Old 06-27-2005, 09:10 PM   #1
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So where does the "insurgency" stand? Cheney vs Rumsfield

So is it in "its last throes" or will it go on for up "5 to 12 more years"?

Huh?!? Are they reading the same playbook? And I don't know about anyone else but when the President of the US and his advisors suggest that timetables are a bad thing and set you up for failure or political attack, I find it to be avoiding responsibility.

If you work for a company and they give you a project or assignment, they want to know when you will have it completed. If you say, it will be done when I'm finished, well, they will fire your ass for incompetence. What people are asking for from the government not just in regards to a timetable is much more important than an assignment at the workplace. Yet, this President is allowed to give the most vague answers ever and no one questions it. Remember Bagdad Bob, that press speaker for Saddam during the war who said the most ridiculous things, he is starting to sound less and less foolish compared to some of the remarks the politicians are making.
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Perhaps they are both right, considering the political machinations with the domestic insurgency in Iraq, such as the Shiite groups and the moves by some of the Sunnis, and the divisions between the foreign Jihadists who murder indiscrimately and the nationalists who direct their actions against foreign forces. The domestic groups may be defeated or compromised with, being in their death throws, but the foreign Jihadists retaining their support networks and sympathetic countries are more dificult to defeat and impossible to compromise with.
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These two men should both be well aware of the situation in Iraq. That they are so far apart in their view of what's going on there only makes us look more inept.
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Perhaps the "insurgency" will only last as long as the U.S. forces are there...at least that part of the insurgency that's drawing Jihadis from outside Iraq.

From thinkprogress.org today:

International Consensus: Bush Terrrorism Strategy Failing

Increasingly, Bush is becoming more isolated in his view that the Iraq war is stemming the progress of global terror. Three separate intelligence reports – the British intelligence agency, a Saudi intelligence analysis, and an Israeli report – contradict Bush’s view that we have to “defeat them abroad before they attack us at home.” The emerging consensus is that the occupation of Iraq is inspiring people around the world to join the ranks of the terrorists:

“A team of MI5 analysts concludes: ‘Though [terrorists] have a range of aspirations and ‘causes’, Iraq is a dominant issue for a range of extremist groups and individuals in the UK and Europe.’” [Sunday Times (London), 7/28/05]

“The findings of an investigation, to be published soon, into 300 young Saudis, caught and interrogated by Saudi intelligence on their way to Iraq to fight or blow themselves up, shows that very few had any previous contact with al-Qa’ida or any other terrorist organisation previous to 2003. It was the invasion of Iraq which prompted their decision to die.” [The Independent, 7/24/05]

“The Israeli Global Research in International Affairs Center reported earlier this year that Iraq ‘has turned into a magnet for jihadi volunteers.’ But not established terrorists. Rather, explains report author Reuven Paz, ‘the vast majority of Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part in any terrorist activity prior to their arrival in Iraq.’” [Copley News Service, 7/26/05]
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Perhaps the "insurgency" will only last as long as the U.S. forces are there...at least that part of the insurgency that's drawing Jihadis from outside Iraq.

From thinkprogress.org today:

International Consensus: Bush Terrrorism Strategy Failing

Increasingly, Bush is becoming more isolated in his view that the Iraq war is stemming the progress of global terror. Three separate intelligence reports – the British intelligence agency, a Saudi intelligence analysis, and an Israeli report – contradict Bush’s view that we have to “defeat them abroad before they attack us at home.” The emerging consensus is that the occupation of Iraq is inspiring people around the world to join the ranks of the terrorists:

“A team of MI5 analysts concludes: ‘Though [terrorists] have a range of aspirations and ‘causes’, Iraq is a dominant issue for a range of extremist groups and individuals in the UK and Europe.’” [Sunday Times (London), 7/28/05]

“The findings of an investigation, to be published soon, into 300 young Saudis, caught and interrogated by Saudi intelligence on their way to Iraq to fight or blow themselves up, shows that very few had any previous contact with al-Qa’ida or any other terrorist organisation previous to 2003. It was the invasion of Iraq which prompted their decision to die.” [The Independent, 7/24/05]

“The Israeli Global Research in International Affairs Center reported earlier this year that Iraq ‘has turned into a magnet for jihadi volunteers.’ But not established terrorists. Rather, explains report author Reuven Paz, ‘the vast majority of Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part in any terrorist activity prior to their arrival in Iraq.’” [Copley News Service, 7/26/05]
How many of the 9/11 hijackers had been involved in hijackings and terrorist actions before their arrival in the United States or Europe to begin their 9/11 terrorist action?

How much terrorist activity does the average suicide bomber in Israel have before their first suicide bombing? How old is the average suicide bomber in Israel?

How many terrorist attacks have happened in the United States since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 or 9/11 in 2001?

What is the state of Al Quada and the Taliban in Afghanistan after four years of US operations there compared to what it was prior to that?

Has there ever been a foreign occupation of Afghanistan as successful as the current one?

Why do the majority of Iraqi's want the occupation to continue?

Why are the majority of suicide bombers in Iraq, foreigners, instead of Iraqi's themselves, if this occupation is such a crime that the terrorist and others believe it is?
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