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Old 11-20-2003, 08:40 AM   #1
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so when will the 500 000 people of equitorial guinea be 'liberated'

why isnt the coalition of the willing on the scene defending liberty and all thats good?
whereas iraq 'isn't about the oil', one would have to think the situation in equitorial guinea is about nothing but oil. screw democracy.
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By Ken Silverstein
Angeles Times
January 20, 2003

Oil Boom Enriches African Ruler

By Ken Silverstein
Angeles Times
January 20, 2003

Most of the population lives on about a dollar a day, and a U.S. State Department report found "little evidence that the country's oil wealth is being devoted to the public good." So where has the money gone?

That has been declared a "state secret" by Equatorial Guinea's ruler, Brig. Gen. Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo. But the Guinean ambassador to the U.S. and other sources close to Obiang say the country's oil funds are held in an account at Riggs Bank in Washington.

According to several of those sources and others familiar with the account, more than $300 million of the country's energy earnings has been deposited in the account by international oil companies active in Equatorial Guinea, including ExxonMobil Corp. and Amerada Hess Corp. The money is under the direct control of Obiang, the sources say.

The arrangement has raised concerns at the International Monetary Fund, where officials have refused to provide assistance to Equatorial Guinea until Obiang accounts for his country's oil money and have urged him to transfer it to its home treasury. It has also complicated efforts by the Bush administration to improve ties with the country, which soon will become sub-Saharan Africa's third-largest oil producer after Nigeria and Angola. Critics say the administration should not embrace Obiang's regime until it improves its human rights record and implements anticorruption reforms.
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Obiang has ruled Equatorial Guinea since 1979, when he took power in a coup against his uncle. On Dec. 15, Obiang won 97.1% of the votes in a presidential election that was widely viewed as fraudulent. Until the mid-1990s, Equatorial Guinea's economy seemed to be on the verge of collapse. Since then, foreign companies -- led by American firms such as ExxonMobil, Marathon Oil Corp., Amerada Hess and ChevronTexaco Corp. -- have discovered huge reserves in the country and invested about $5 billion in its oil sector.

Equatorial Guinea's oil production has jumped from just 17,000 barrels per day in 1996 to a current rate of more than 220,000 barrels per day. As a result, the Bush administration has initiated a political thaw with the Obiang regime. In late 2001, President Bush authorized the reopening of the U.S. Embassy in Equatorial Guinea, which had been closed six years earlier, in large part due to the country's horrific human rights record.

There's been little if any improvement since then on that issue. A recent State Department report said the country's security forces "committed numerous, serious human rights abuses," including torture and beatings, and that citizens "do not have the ability to change their government peacefully." The World Bank has censured the regime for failing to account for oil revenue, which it says has had "no impact on Equatorial Guinea's dismal social indicators."

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apologies if this has been discussed before. i did a quick search and didnt see anything.
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Damn dictator. I agree, why aren't we doing anything to help *these* people??
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That's disgusting!
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Old 11-20-2003, 01:11 PM   #4
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CBC reported that the Energy Summit in Houston issued a statement saying they will have to work with people they dislike to reduce middle eastern oil dependancy. That's exactly like this situation.
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Old 11-20-2003, 07:28 PM   #5
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Well, maybe Germany and France could help out since their doing nothing at the moment in regards to Persian Gulf Security.
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Yeah, but Germany and France aren't the leaders of the free world are they? There job is to follow right? Besides, they are old Europe, Rumsfeld said so!
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Germany and France are not leaders of the free world because they rarely do anything to justify having that title.

There job is to follow? I don't think so. If it was their job, we might be seeing the benefits of German and French military forces in the Iraq at the moment.

Germany and France are certainly closer to the term "old Europe" than they are to "leaders of the free world" based on their current actions.

They certainly do have the option to help out or take action, but they simply don't in many of these cases which helps define the meaning of "old Europe".
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And what title should we give the US then for not helping out in this case, or in fact, most cases?
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And what title should we give the US then for not helping out in this case, or in fact, most cases?
Dr. Teeth are you sincere in your belief that the US does little or nothing to help out in the world?
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Dr. Teeth are you sincere in your belief that the US does little or nothing to help out in the world?
heres an intersting article-

To Hell With Sympathy
The goodwill America earned on 9/11 was illusory. Get over it

By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Monday, Nov. 17, 2003
No one likes us. And the democrats know why: the world loved us just two years ago, and then this President, cowboy arrogant and rudely unilateral, blew it. "When America was savagely attacked by al-Qaeda terrorists on 9-11, virtually all the world was with us," writes Democratic elder statesman Theodore Sorensen. "But that moment of universal goodwill was squandered." He writes that in the current issue of The American Prospect, but he is speaking for just about every Democratic candidate, potentate, deep thinker and critic, and not a few foreign commentators as well. The formulation is near universal: "The president has somehow squandered the international outpouring of sympathy, goodwill and solidarity that followed the attacks of Sept. 11" (Al Gore). "He has squandered the goodwill of the world after Sept. 11" (John Kerry).

The ur-text for this myth is the famous Le Monde editorial of Sept. 12, 2001, titled "We Are All Americans." But as Johns Hopkins professor Fouad Ajami points out, not only did that very editorial speak of America's paying for its cynicism, but also, within months, that same Le Monde publisher was back with a small book ("All Americans? The World After September 11, 2001"--note the question mark) filled with the usual belligerence toward and disapproval of America.

What happened in those intervening few months? Is not the core Democratic complaint that it was overreaching in Iraq that caused the world to turn against us? And yet barely had we buried our 9/11 dead long before we entered Baghdad when the French, and the rest of the world, decided that they were not really Americans after all and were back to vilifying American arrogance, unilateralism, hegemony and so on.

It is pure fiction that this pro-American sentiment was either squandered after Sept. 11 or lost under the Bush Administration. It never existed. Envy for America, resentment of our power, hatred of our success has been a staple for decades, but most particularly since victory in the cold war left us the only superpower.

Bill Clinton was the most accommodating, sensitive, multilateralist President one can imagine, and yet we know that al-Qaeda began the planning for Sept. 11 precisely during his presidency. Clinton made humility his vocation, apologizing variously for African slavery, for internment of Japanese Americans, for not saving Rwanda. He even decided that Britain should return the Elgin Marbles to Greece. A lot of good that did us. Bin Laden issued his Declaration of War on America in 1996--at the height of the Clinton Administration's hyperapologetic, good-citizen internationalism.

Moreover, it is unseemly, even pathetic, for the would-be leaders of a great power to pine for the pity gleaned on the day America lay bleeding and wounded. This is to carry into foreign policy a pathology of our domestic politics the glorification of victimhood and the lust for its privileges, such as they are. It is not surprising that having set up at home a spoils system that encourages every ethnic group to claim even greater victimization than the next, the Democrats should lament the fact that we did not seize and institutionalize our collective victimhood of Sept. 11.

The world apparently likes the U.S. when it is on its knees. From that the Democrats deduce a foreign policy remain on our knees, humble and supplicant, and enjoy the applause and "support" of the world.

This is not just degrading. It is a fool's bargain--3,000 dead for a day's worth of nice words and a few empty U.N. resolutions. The Democrats would forfeit American freedom of action and initiative in order to get back what? Another nice French editorial? To be retracted as soon as the U.S. stops playing victim?

Sympathy is fine. But if we "squander" it when we go to war to avenge our dead and prevent the next crop of dead, then to hell with sympathy. The fact is that the world hates us for our wealth, our success, our power. They hate us into incoherence. The Europeans, Ajami astutely observes, disdain us for our excessive religiosity (manifest, they imagine, by evolution being expelled from schools while prayer is ushered back in)--while the Arab world despises us as purveyors of secularism. We cannot win for losing. We are widely reviled as enemies of Islam, yet in the 1990s we engaged three times in combat in the Persian Gulf and in the Balkans to rescue Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo, Muslim peoples all. And in the last two cases, there was nothing in it for the U.S.; it was humanitarianism and good international citizenship of the highest order.

The search for logic in anti-Americanism is fruitless. It is in the air the world breathes. Its roots are envy and self-loathing by peoples who, yearning for modernity but having failed at it, find their one satisfaction in despising modernity's great exemplar.

On Sept. 11, they gave it a rest for a day. Big deal.
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This line of debate I have always found extemely futile. It is handy to be able to label America as do-gooders when there is something to show for it, likewise also handy to be able to label America as 'unworthy' as it were as leaders of the free world when there is something they haven't done. The need which exists in our world is far greater than America can ever hope to overcome in total. America is neither the cure-all nor a slacker when looking at the larger picture. It's not one or the other, it's a bit of both. Instead of bickering about it, it needs to be the responsibility of all nations in helping out where it is needed.
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This is not about my opinion, nor is it about Germany or France. There's nothing futile about taking a politician's words and comparing it with his actions. This is about the self-proclaimed leader of the free world, spreader of democracy, who has not said as much as a word on this (for as far as I know) and I want to know why.
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"self proclaimed leader of the free world"..
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CBC reported that the Energy Summit in Houston issued a statement saying they will have to work with people they dislike to reduce middle eastern oil dependancy. That's exactly like this situation.
Exactly. There's been a lot of discussion about how much of the US' oil supplies are expected to be coming from Africa as opposed to the Middle East in the future.
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This is not about my opinion
It is about your opinion when you make a blanket statement about the goodwill or lack of goodwill that the people of my country extend to others. It was a comment that you either want to stand by or not. You typed it.
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