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Old 02-26-2003, 12:45 AM   #16
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where were these protesters when clinton went into haiti and kosovo without the UN or a declaration of war? Hmm... ohhhhh yeah... they were supporting clinton 'cause he was a democrat. How could I forget.
Because they were both humanitarian in cause. Democrats seem to have respect for those. Republicans are just known for blowing things up, and leaving a mess behind. Perhaps that's why people are so cynical with Bush on Iraq. Indeed, the response would probably be much different with a Democrat in office. Bush, quite simply, is not trustworthy.

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and bill clinton was such a trustful, honest person
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and bill clinton was such a trustful, honest person
And tell me which president *hasn't* lied to us? Clinton's lie about a fucking consensual blow job is perhaps the most trivial Congressional investigation since Andrew Johnson's impeachment over defying an unconstitutional law imposed by the 3/4 Republican Congress.

Dubya just happens to be the most rampant liar I can remember, covering up everything under the "national security" label--including Reagan's presidential papers that were supposed to be released to the public in 2002. Now there's a trustful, honest president!

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Hey, what do you guys make of this? Kind of sinister:

http://middleeastinfo.org/article1978.html
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Hey, what do you guys make of this? Kind of sinister:

http://middleeastinfo.org/article1978.html
I think it should be investigated, and, if it is indeed Iraq's WMDs, then we have our clear "smoking gun," and I bet even France will support a UN resolution to obliterate Iraq.

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sorry... i don't find the man who's main job is to uphold the constitution placing his hand on the bible and lying under oath trivial... but i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
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Another one from that site, this is interesting too:

http://middleeastinfo.org/article1482.html
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Everybody knows that the biggest sin Clinton committed was being a Democrat. Republicans take great joy in hating him. Knock yourselves out, Republicans.
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Everybody knows that the biggest sin Bush committed was being a Repiblican. Democrats take great joy in hating him. Knock yourselves out, Democrats.
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No...Bush's biggest sin was using 9/11 to advance his extreme-right agenda. Major difference.

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so the U.N. wants there inspections to continue. ok so after the inspectors are done searching how does that change the need togo to war? if they dont find anything where did all those un accounted for weapons go to? we are right back where we started before the inspections began. If the inspectors do find something then that is cause fore need to attack. so wich either way it turns out we are going to war. i really dont see the point at all for the inspectors, the only way they are going to successfully take care of there job is if soddom hussein lets them.
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Melon,

Hans Blix and his inspectors have failed to successfully find what Saddam still had in 1998 when the UN inspectors left. 30,000 Chemical/Bio capable shells, thousands of tons of Anthrax, thousands of tons of VX Nerve Gas. Saddam has to give this up or prove that they were destroyed. The inspectors won't be blocked unless their about to find something big.

On numerous ocassions in the 1990s the inspectors were blocked and prevented from entering sites, while Iraqi trucks came up to the back of these buildings to remove the contents. Saddam is only "dead" if there are 250,000 US troops in position to invade and overthrow the country. One cannot have a force that size positioned in the middle east indefinitely.

By the way resolution 1441 already states Iraq is in material breach. Failure to fully account for the WMD above is a material breach.

Whats the rush? Its the Iraqi development of more dangerous WMD capability, or a Nuclear weapon. Why do you want to wait till Saddam has greater capabilities than he does today? Waiting only benefits one person, Saddam. It also makes any attempts at regime change or disarmament more difficult and costly in terms of lives.

How long must the world play Saddams game? 12 years is enough. Only Saddam himself or the US military can disarm Saddam. If Saddam does not cooperate, and he is not, the inspectors can't disarm him. Since Saddam is not cooperating, he is going to be out of power shortly.

30,000 Bio/Chem shells, thousands of tons of Anthrax and VX Nerve Gas are unacounted for. There are several examples of inspection and disarmament in the Republics of the Former Soviet Union and South Africa. That is how inspections and disarmament is supposed to happen. The process in those countries took under a year. That has yet to happen in Iraq after 12 years. This has not been a rush to war. In fact, the world has waited far to long to effectively disarm Iraq.


"Because they were both humanitarian in cause. Democrats seem to have respect for those. Republicans are just known for blowing things up, and leaving a mess behind. Perhaps that's why people are so cynical with Bush on Iraq. Indeed, the response would probably be much different with a Democrat in office. Bush, quite simply, is not trustworthy."

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Did Bill Clinton get inspectors back into Iraq or did George Bush? It was under Bill Clinton that inspectors got kicked out of Iraq. Was Bill Clinton successful in disarming Iraq after 8 years? No. Talk about leaving a mess for someone else to deal with. Will George Bush be successful in much less time, I think so. So what would a Democrat in office do that Clinton did not do in his 8 years attempting to disarm Iraq? Considering that inspectors got kicked out under a democratic administration, the Democrats effectiveness on this issue has been less than convincing.
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and clinton passed up the sudanese's offer to hand over bin-laden and all his top aides... BEFORE 9/11... let's not go sin for sin, we'll be here all night
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Everybody knows that the biggest sin Bush committed was being a Repiblican. Democrats take great joy in hating him. Knock yourselves out, Democrats.
Hey, you're getting it, Headache!! Good job. Incidentally, I'm not a Democrat.
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