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Old 06-05-2003, 09:27 PM   #61
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Scarletwine,

"Not according to the head of the UN weapons inspection team. He has stated that fact since the WMD's in Iraq became a big thing again."

Richard Butler was the head of the UN team in 1998. The report they filed back then is widely available to public. There is no evidence to show what happened to Iraq's stockpile of WMD that they had in 1998.

If Iraq did not have WMD in 1998, the United Nations would have ended the inspections process itself and certified that Iraq no longer had WMD. Providing that other obligations were met by Iraq, sanctions would have been lifted in 1998-1999.

Iraq has never once fully complied with its obligations under UN resolutions and the Ceacefire Agreement from 1991.

The current UN weapons inspector Hans Blix was given the task in the fall of 2002 to account for WMD that Iraq indeed had in 1998. AT NO TIME DID HANS BLIX SAY THAT IRAQ DID NOT HAVE WMD IN 1998! If he believed that Iraq had no WMD in 1998, he would have little reason to search for such WMD in 2002.

What Hans Blix did say is that they failed to find any WMD in Iraq during the inspections process from late 2002 to 2003! Their failure to find such WMD does not mean it does not exists. If the WMD was in fact destroyed, they failed to find evidence of that either. The only thing Hans Blix has said is that in recent inspections they have been unable to locate the WMD from 1998 or find evidence that it was destroyed. The WMD that Iraq was documented in having at the end of 1998 is simply missing.

The fact that Hans Blix failed to find out what happened to it does not meen it no longer exists. It has to exists in some form whether its intact or destroyed.

If there is one thing that everyone in the UN agrees on, its that it is a fact that Iraq had WMD at the end of 1998! This fact is officially documented by the United Nations. The only question is where and in what condition is the WMD now?
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ok then! yippie! lets go start a war!

yeeeeeeeeeehaw!!!!

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This is the best description of the Bush Admn I've seen & fits right in here.

How Badly Do You Want to Win?

By U.S. Rep. Jan Schakowsky
June 6, 2003

Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (D-Illinois) made the following speech at the Campaign for America's Future conference in Washington DC on June 4, 2003.

"They lie with impunity. Let's fact it. They're liars. They lied about the reason they took our sons and daughters to war. They spend millions of dollars in campaign ads saying they are for a prescription drug benefit under Medicare. They call their dirty air legislation "Clear Skies" and their plan to give the timber companies our trees, "Healthy Forests." They call their job-killing economic program a "jobs program." They say they are for peace when they are for war. Millions of children are left behind under their miserly "No Child Left Behind" education bill. They tout a child tax credit and then silently drop it in favor of more tax cuts for millionaires. "

She sums up all the reasons why I HATE Bush & Co.
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Scarletwine,

So I guess, using the logic she uses above, it would be accurate to say that Rep. Jan Schakowsky was for the continuation of the reign of Saddam Hussien and the threats that would pose to the rest of the international community in addition to approving the slaughter of thousands of more Iraqi's to add to the 1.5 million that Saddam had already murdered?
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Scarletwine,

S- O- S ?
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So I guess, using the logic she uses above, it would be accurate to say that Rep. Jan Schakowsky was for the continuation of the reign of Saddam Hussien and the threats that would pose to the rest of the international community in addition to approving the slaughter of thousands of more Iraqi's to add to the 1.5 million that Saddam had already murdered?
oh yes, saddam was such a threat. a twat, yes. an international threat - no.
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Saddam is a but his Iraq was a second-rate military power.
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i think id be more worried about ethiopia's overwhelming airforce than saddams wmd program.
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Red Ships of Scalla-festa,


"oh yes, saddam was such a threat. a twat, yes. an international threat - no."

I consider anyone that attacks unprovoked, 4 different countries in the space of a few years and in the process kills over a million foreign civilian soldiers and civilians to be an international threat. I consider a person that had the capability barring US military intervention, to take over the oil fields of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, there by controlling 65% of the worlds Energy resources to be a threat.

In addition, one that engages in that behavior that also stockpiles Chemical and biological weapons and uses Nerve Gas against its own civilians and Iranian soldiers on a scale not ever seen before, is indeed a serious international threat. In addition, anyone that has the above behavior that was at one point only a year a way from developing a fully operational Nuclear Weapon is indeed a serious international threat.

Verte76,

Do you think Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and Israel considered SADDAM to be a non-threatening second rate military power?
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like i said before! lets go to war to solve our issues! violence ends violence! if we kill them before they kill us, all will be well.

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Sorry, but being a pacifict and pretending the threat does not exist does not have a very good historical record. Several countries tried such things in reaction to Hitlers rise to power and Germany's rearmament. The results were over 50 million dead a few years later. Pacificm, isolationism, and non-involvement do not work. Intervention and engagement is needed to solve problems.
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GOP Fights Hearing on Iraq's Weapons

WASHINGTON (June 11) - Majority Republicans in Congress brushed aside Democratic pleas for a formal investigation into the handling of intelligence on Iraq's weapons programs, saying Wednesday that routine oversight should suffice.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts said some of the Democratic criticism of the handling of the intelligence has ''been simply politics and for political gain.''

''I will not allow the committee to be politicized or to be used as an unwitting tool for any political strategist,'' the Kansas Republican said.

He said criticism was causing divisiveness among intelligence agencies and ''go back to the days of risk aversion, the primary cause of 9/11.'' A congressional investigation of the attacks found that agencies were weakened by a culture that discouraged employees from taking risks for fear of being criticized.

Leading Senate Democrats have called for a more thorough investigation in light of doubts raised about some of the intelligence and the failure so far to find weapons of mass destruction. They want to know whether intelligence on weapons programs was inaccurate or manipulated to make the case for war.

Roberts and the Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, had tried unsuccessfully to work out an agreement on an inquiry. No Democrats attended the news conference Wednesday by Roberts, House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss, R-Fla., and Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-Va.

After the news conference, Rockefeller said ''what they appear to be doing is entirely inadequate and slow paced and potentially kind of sleepwalking through history.'' He said he's not sure '' whether they really want to get to the facts of what actually happened.''

The political stakes of any investigation could be high before next year's election if President Bush's primary reason for going to war continues to be called into question. Roberts, Goss and Warner all said the White House did not attempt to influence their decisions on an investigation.

In fact, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer, traveling with Bush for a presidential speech in Chicago, said the administration ''welcomes the review.''

''We always work together with Congress on dealing with the threat of Iraqi possession of WMD,'' he said. ''And we'll continue to work with Congress on the facts that led previous administrations, Democrats and Republicans alike, to know he (Saddam) had WMD.''

''This is an important part of Congress' oversight and we welcome it,'' Fleischer said.

Roberts said his committee will evaluate prewar intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and its connection to terrorist groups. It will examine whether the findings were reasonable and accurate. The CIA has begun submitting details of the intelligence that supported administration claims on Iraq's weapons programs.

Roberts said closed-door hearings will begin next week and ''when the committee deems it appropriate, we will make whatever public statements that are necessary.'' The Senate Armed Services Committee has already begun closed-door hearings on the intelligence issue.

Rockefeller and Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, top Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, have called for a more formal, joint review by the two committees. They say hearings should be held publicly and privately, administration and intelligence officials should be interviewed and a public report issued.

''You need a structure for an inquiry - What is it we're looking for? - so it's done in a thorough way,'' Levin said.

Many Republicans and some Democrats have no doubts that Saddam Hussein had chemical or biological weapons, based on his government's failure to satisfy U.N. demands for proof that the weapons it once admitted to having had been destroyed. The White House has urged patience in searching for the weapons.

Those seeking an investigation say the issue goes beyond the failure to find weapons. Some of the administration's evidence of Iraqi weapons programs has proven false. Documents indicating Iraq imported uranium from Niger were forgeries. Aluminum tubes described as intended for nuclear weapons were likely meant for conventional artillery rockets.

What's at issue, Levin said, is whether American intelligence can be trusted in the future as a basis for action against other adversaries, such as Iran and North Korea. ''I've got to have confidence in that intelligence, and the American people have to have confidence if we're going to lead the world in a war on terrorism,'' he said Tuesday.

Goss, R-Fla., said his panel will conduct a review similar to that planned by Roberts. The committee's top Democrat, Rep. Jane Harman of California, said she and her staff will carefully examine the CIA documents before deciding how they want to proceed.

''The war was premised on the notion that there was a clear and present danger to American interests and we need to understand whether all of those claims were appropriate,'' she said in an interview.

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Do you think Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and Israel considered SADDAM to be a non-threatening second rate military power?
OK, I admit that I only know a little bit about Turkey's position. This whole thing put Turkey in a pickle because they used to be a major trading partner with Iraq. They supported Operation Desert Storm and this was not good for their economy. They had to have a reason to support Desert Storm however because it did cost them a trading partner. They didn't support this latest strike, however. It's on their web site and I think it's a previous edition of "Ambassador's Window", not the present one. Kuwait definitely thought Saddam was a threat. So did Israel. I didn't use the word "non-threatening" did I? Am I getting amnesia? Damn.
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