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Old 12-04-2006, 07:40 PM   #76
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Maybe you should go back and read your post (s) and think about how it (they) might come across to me. Nothing justifies that, seriously. I have legitimate feelings about Mitt and his poor job performance, and they have nothing to do with bias. I can observe and think.
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Old 12-04-2006, 07:44 PM   #77
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How much would you like to wager?

Hope springs eternal....

But if these are the things the democrats are going to throw up against the wall as issues......there will be a republican again elected to the big office.....hehe....can we say Reagan Revolution....

This type of issue is EXACTLY what the Repubican Party would LOVE to see......

But I digress.....a victory does not win the war....and November 2006...will be in the rear view mirror......

The Democrats do not get it....it was not a vote for them....it was a vote against the war....and that will not carry the day in two years....

Nor will this type of issue...
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Maybe you should go back and read your post (s) and think about how it (they) might come across to me. Nothing justifies that, seriously. I have legitimate feelings about Mitt and his poor job performance, and they have nothing to do with bias. I can observe and think.
SO we should investigate who is employeed in every eatery we partake in dining? So that we are not all hypocrits....Where would someone get the legal authority to step into the washroom of the local eatery to seek out those who scrub the pans and check their documents?

What about the cranberry sauce? While it makes a tasty side dish on Thanksgiving, should we go to the local bog and check the people who are weeding all summer long, before we hypocritically dine on the berry?

I say this in all seriousness, because we are a nation of hypocrits if we are not going to go to such lengths to protect ourselves from hypocracy!!!!
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Forget it, I give up. You are insistent upon focusing on that issue when I am well aware that it involves so many more issues. I am just very disappointed that you expressed it in the way you did, and that's all I have left to say.
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Forget it, I give up. You are insistent upon focusing on that issue when I am well aware that it involves so many more issues. I am just very disappointed that you expressed it in the way you did, and that's all I have left to say.
And for that disappointment.....I say....

Sorry.
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The Democrats do not get it....it was not a vote for them....it was a vote against the war....and that will not carry the day in two years....
See, the Dems do get this, and will try in the next 2 years to prove to the country that there are other reasons to vote blue by improving the economic situation for especially the middle class. I don't know if we'll be successful, but the leadership isn't stupid - they know why we won the majority and what the composition of those districts are.

And with that, I give up on this thread.
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Why did it evolve into a discussion about illegals?? Why do all discussions have to lead into such nasty fights?

Never mind don't answer that.
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Appears to me from the past that Mrs. S. has posted a variety of concerns about Mr. Romney for well over a year and she isn't determining her opinion on some kind of knee jerk reaction based on this one issue as some of the other posts might seem to suggest whether that was intended or not.

I don't follow Massachusetts politics closely and it's not my state so I choose not to have an opinion on this particular, but certainly one of the hypocrisies of the "Stop the illegals" movement is the failure to crack down on the source of incentive for the illegals--the employers. It's purely political talk for the politically ambitious.

(For full disclosure, I am the grandchild of an illegal immigrant. I don't get too worked up about the illegal immigration debate. I've ranted about it in the past. I'm sure I've come across on occasion as a xenophobe when I've thought it was reasonable to control your border, to know who is entering your country and for what purpose, to balance between the benefits the illegals bring and the drain on limited resources--to know what we can handle and what we cannot.

But really this issue isn't about illegals, it's about the growing strength of Hispanics and the growing fear of Muslims. It's about the changing of the demographics of a country and a natural fear about how that is going to affect you. It's about concern that you are going to get even less of that limited amount of pie you've been able to scrape onto your plate, that the very little amount of privilege you've worked so hard for is being taken away, your identity is being superceded. I watch both sides of the issue. I watch how the politicians and others work up this frenzy when if the frenzy wasn't worked up so hard, you might not even notice so much. We're conditioned to notice it now.
(Much like the supposed War on Christmas, when I doubt whether any of us noticed before whether somebody said "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Holidays") And you know, the irony of it is, they could enforce these laws they already have on the books. They could gather the resources together they needed to do it if they really wanted to. You wouldn't need to work up the crowd. But then it wouldn't be an issue.

But on the whole, if the only law they are breaking is crossing the border and up to the point we can handle the inflow and if our real (not imaginary) quality of life is not affected, I don't care.

Not too many of us are American citizens by virtue of our merits. We are, by chance of birth.

Now that I have totally derailed this thread.
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Why did it evolve into a discussion about illegals?? Why do all discussions have to lead into such nasty fights?

Never mind don't answer that.
Why ask why?
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Why did it evolve into a discussion about illegals?? Why do all discussions have to lead into such nasty fights?

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Well it got "nasty" only because apparently some people feel that FYM is below their intelligence level and want to insist that others feel and think a certain way apparently in an apparent effort to bolster that belief. If it's that bad I don't know why you'd (the general you or anyone who feels that way) bother coming here at all. I don't appreciate being talked to and treated in that way, and I'm not going to just let it slide.
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Mrs S,

It's your universe and we just wanna be a part of it.
Can we come in and play?




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Well it got "nasty" only because apparently some people feel that FYM is below their intelligence level and want to insist that others feel and think a certain way apparently in an apparent effort to bolster that belief. If it's that bad I don't know why you'd (the general you or anyone who feels that way) bother coming here at all. I don't appreciate being talked to and treated in that way, and I'm not going to just let it slide.
Ehm, ok? I barely come in here at all. Sometimes you just want to explore the site and just give opinion on certain matters. So I'm sorry if it seemed like my last post was aimed at you. It was not. I agreed with what you said about Mitt Romney.
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Ah, the childhood pleasures of double-teaming somebody......remember them well.
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Ehm, ok? I barely come in here at all. Sometimes you just want to explore the site and just give opinion on certain matters. So I'm sorry if it seemed like my last post was aimed at you. It was not. I agreed with what you said about Mitt Romney.
I didn't want to post in this anymore, but I know your last post wasn't aimed at me at all and I was just quoting your post as a springboard to discuss what happened in this thread and why. You weren't questioning anyone's intelligence or the general intelligence level of FYM and coming across like you think yours is superior even if that's not the intent- so I didn't think you'd think at all that my post was directed at you. Sorry for the confusion
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Doesn't stand a chance for President - most right wing christian republicans believe the Mormans to be a cult. They'd never vote for this guy no matter how "family based" his policies are.
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