LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
martha said:
That wasn't necessary. 
My feelings aren't just hurt, they've been punched in the face and shot six times in the crotch. 
so...Mike Huckabee.
- Thread starter Harry Vest
- Start date
The friendliest place on the web for anyone that follows U2.
If you have answers, please help by responding to the unanswered posts.
If you have answers, please help by responding to the unanswered posts.
That wasn't necessary. My feelings aren't just hurt, they've been punched in the face and shot six times in the crotch. 
martha
Blue Crack Supplier
Well, then isn't it time for the real Republicans to start taking back their party?
eta: It's easy for me to make the statement I made when I see the Republicans falling all over each other to see who is more Christian that the other.
eta: It's easy for me to make the statement I made when I see the Republicans falling all over each other to see who is more Christian that the other.
Last edited:
martha said:
That is exactly what we are trying to do through Ron Paul. We've raised $3,000,000 this week and almost $15,000,000 for the quarter so far. Trying the best we can.
Here is a Ron Paul quote about religion and particularly to the recent attacks on Mitt Romney for his religion:
“Our nation was founded to be a place where religion is freely practiced and differences are tolerated and respected. I come to my faith through Jesus Christ and have accepted him as my personal savior. At the same time, I have worked tirelessly to defend and restore individual rights and religious freedom for all Americans.
The recent attacks and insinuations, both direct and subtle, that Gov. Romney may be less fit to serve as president of our United States because of his faith fly in the face of everything America stands for. Gov. Romney should be judged fairly, on his record and his character, not on the church he attends.”
Last edited:
martha
Blue Crack Supplier
Infinitum98 said:
Why should a Republican candidate even have to mention Jesus?!
I think you may have just proved my point. 
MrsSpringsteen
Blue Crack Addict
I completely agree with Huckabee's assessment of Bush's foreign policy being arrogant. What the heck would most people call it, humble? Don't know exactly what he means by "bunker". I applaud him for being a Republican who has the courage to speak out like that, even though I disagree with many of his other views and comments.
I wonder where Mitt's depth is in dealing with other nations. The Olympics?
I wonder where Mitt's depth is in dealing with other nations. The Olympics?
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
Infinitum98 said:
Brilliant little quote there. Definitely like the man, and glad I voted for him in the Interference primary.
martha said:
Why should a Republican candidate even have to mention Jesus?!
You pulled out one line from his quote and used it against him while not mentioning the context in which it was said in. That is very misinformative to a person who did not read the Congressman's original quote. Let me explain to you what he was trying to say.
In that quote, Ron Paul is basically saying that Mitt Romney's faith shouldn't even be a topic or be questioned and that he should be judged based on his actions as a politician, not based on his faith. He also said that even though he himself believes in Jesus, he's worked very hard in letting people have their own religious freedom becasue that is what this country was founded on. So he is not a radical Christian and he certainly does not enforce his beliefs on the nation.
So no, I don't think I proved your point that all Republican voters are radical Christians.
martha
Blue Crack Supplier
Infinitum98 said:
I understood the message. But why are the Republicans always making sure everyone knows how Christian they are?
Could he have talked about religious freedom without reassuring everyone that he was a Christian? Or would that cost him votes?
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
So...Ron Paul
should we change the title of the thread?
should we change the title of the thread?
MrsSpringsteen
Blue Crack Addict
He's going to be on Larry King tonight. Not that Larry will actually come up with any good questions...
martha said:
He was merely saying that even though he is a Christian he wants to make sure that all people are given freedom.
I understand that many Republicans use their Christian faith in a way to get votes but that certainly isn't Ron Paul. I can't find the link but there is a video interview regarding the Mitt Romney Mormon situation on RonPaul2008.com in which Ron Paul says that it is inappropriate to talk or ask questions about faith in debates because that should not be an issue no matter what.
Also, he strongly believes in personal liberties. He believes that homosexuals should be given all the rights of heterosexuals. He was asked about gays in the military in one of the debates and his answer was something like this (not a direct quote):
"If people were having homosexual relations in the military and the policy is that those actions are intolerable, then the same policy should be used for people having heterosexual relations in the military. Everyones individual liberties should be equal."
Now everyone knows that a majority of Christian Republicans are against gay marriage or gays serving in the military. However Ron Paul is not like that. So I don't think he trying to attract the Christian vote. I think he just says what he believes is right.
martha
Blue Crack Supplier
It's just too bad he felt he had to assure his voter base that he is indeed Christian.Infinitum98 said:
With one glaring exception.Infinitum98 said:
Moonlit_Angel
Blue Crack Addict
martha said:
I do agree with martha here-if I were a candidate and were asked about my religious beliefs, I would just say, "That's not really any of your business", because it's not, and it's irrelevant to the issues at hand.
Angela
I think its too bad that we have to be tolorant of everything and anything the left feels we should tolerate, but the second anyone calls themself a Christian all that tolerance goes out the window.
I think it a shame democrats have to announce they are pro choice all the time to secure their fan base.
I think it a shame democrats have to announce they are pro choice all the time to secure their fan base.
Dreadsox said:
I don't get that sense at all. In fact it seems they'd rather not talk about it. They affirm it and move on hoping not to have to comment on the topic. It is certainly NOTHING akin to the constant religious references on the right.
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
Dreadsox said:
I agree, but do you really think it's just the calling themselves part that irks people?
I think what irks me is that to be a Democrat you have to pander to the left.
To be a republican you have to pander to the right.
Why the fuck can't you be a centrist?
Because the two sides dominate the party....
Forcing everyone to out christian out pro life out whatever each other to get the nomination.
To be a republican you have to pander to the right.
Why the fuck can't you be a centrist?
Because the two sides dominate the party....
Forcing everyone to out christian out pro life out whatever each other to get the nomination.
Dreadsox said:
An honest question - why is being a centrist somehow better? I suppose you could argue that in the interest of getting things done, if everyone moved to the centre, it would be a lot more easier and we might have a more efficient system. But I'm not sure that centrism is really a desirable position to be. For example, the majority of greatest political achievements in Canada were made when we were solidly left. Generally we were more prosperous as well during those times. What would centrism have achieved? I don't think we'd see the same results.
I have respect for centrists; at the same time I feel that many times they stand for little more than political diplomacy. But as for actually putting forward great ideas, I find them lacking, because they seem very reluctant to put forth any kind of vision that might rock the boat even a bit. Progress is never made in such ways.
Angela Harlem
Jesus Online
more like fence-sitters?
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
Dreadsox said:
?
isn't the opposite true?
may God bless America?
could an atheist win office? a professed agnostic?
in the GOP, if someone doesn't profess Christ as their savior, and if the Democrats don't have some sort of childish "faith forum" to explain themselves to "people of faith," then they aren't considered candidates?
why does the GOP race look like a theological debate?
and just how did Harry Reid get so far in the Democratic party?
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
Dreadsox said:
i really dont think there's all that much of a Left in the US to begin with, at least not equivalent to the European left. how much time do the Greens get from HRC or Obama? how about the socialists?
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
Angela Harlem said:
"Fence-sitting" makes being a centrist sound like a fearful position. As if you're afraid of what could occur if you went on one side or the other. It really is a viable position to take, even if it isn't the most publicized.
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
Dreadsox said:
No one should pander, I agree. In fact I admire the Ron Paul's and the Kucinich's...
But the realist in me comes about when I vote.
It's a fucked up system, and until we find some way to break it down, I think many of us are going to feel somewhat dirty.
martha said:
You tend to generalize too much. Just because he said he believes in Jesus in one quote out of thousands, doesn't mean he wants to assure his voter base that he is indeed Christian.
You may be a Democrat, but please don't make generalizations about Republicans. Just becasue some or many Republicans may be one way doesn't mean that all are. If Hillary Clinton had said she is Christian, i'm sure you wouldn't have minded at all. If Ron Paul had said he is Muslim, i'm sure you wouldn't have cared.
I'm not a Democrat, yet I don't generalize about all Democrats. There are some which I like, some which I don't. But I don't have this stubborn mindset that "all Democrats hate the rich," or whatever.
And what is this one glaring exception?
Similar threads
