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Old 12-17-2007, 07:06 PM   #196
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He was merely saying that even though he is a Christian he wants to make sure that all people are given freedom.
It's just too bad he felt he had to assure his voter base that he is indeed Christian.
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Also, he strongly believes in personal liberties.
With one glaring exception.
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It's just too bad he felt he had to assure his voter base that he is indeed Christian.
I do agree with martha here-if I were a candidate and were asked about my religious beliefs, I would just say, "That's not really any of your business", because it's not, and it's irrelevant to the issues at hand.

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I think its too bad that we have to be tolorant of everything and anything the left feels we should tolerate, but the second anyone calls themself a Christian all that tolerance goes out the window.

I think it a shame democrats have to announce they are pro choice all the time to secure their fan base.
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I think it a shame democrats have to announce they are pro choice all the time to secure their fan base.
I don't get that sense at all. In fact it seems they'd rather not talk about it. They affirm it and move on hoping not to have to comment on the topic. It is certainly NOTHING akin to the constant religious references on the right.
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I think its too bad that we have to be tolorant of everything and anything the left feels we should tolerate, but the second anyone calls themself a Christian all that tolerance goes out the window.

I agree, but do you really think it's just the calling themselves part that irks people?
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I think what irks me is that to be a Democrat you have to pander to the left.

To be a republican you have to pander to the right.

Why the fuck can't you be a centrist?

Because the two sides dominate the party....

Forcing everyone to out christian out pro life out whatever each other to get the nomination.
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Why the fuck can't you be a centrist?
An honest question - why is being a centrist somehow better? I suppose you could argue that in the interest of getting things done, if everyone moved to the centre, it would be a lot more easier and we might have a more efficient system. But I'm not sure that centrism is really a desirable position to be. For example, the majority of greatest political achievements in Canada were made when we were solidly left. Generally we were more prosperous as well during those times. What would centrism have achieved? I don't think we'd see the same results.

I have respect for centrists; at the same time I feel that many times they stand for little more than political diplomacy. But as for actually putting forward great ideas, I find them lacking, because they seem very reluctant to put forth any kind of vision that might rock the boat even a bit. Progress is never made in such ways.
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more like fence-sitters?
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You have the gift of brevity. I dig.
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I think its too bad that we have to be tolorant of everything and anything the left feels we should tolerate, but the second anyone calls themself a Christian all that tolerance goes out the window.

I think it a shame democrats have to announce they are pro choice all the time to secure their fan base.


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isn't the opposite true?

may God bless America?

could an atheist win office? a professed agnostic?

in the GOP, if someone doesn't profess Christ as their savior, and if the Democrats don't have some sort of childish "faith forum" to explain themselves to "people of faith," then they aren't considered candidates?

why does the GOP race look like a theological debate?

and just how did Harry Reid get so far in the Democratic party?
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I think what irks me is that to be a Democrat you have to pander to the left.

To be a republican you have to pander to the right.

Why the fuck can't you be a centrist?

Because the two sides dominate the party....

Forcing everyone to out christian out pro life out whatever each other to get the nomination.


i really dont think there's all that much of a Left in the US to begin with, at least not equivalent to the European left. how much time do the Greens get from HRC or Obama? how about the socialists?
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more like fence-sitters?


That was unecessary.
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more like fence-sitters?
"Fence-sitting" makes being a centrist sound like a fearful position. As if you're afraid of what could occur if you went on one side or the other. It really is a viable position to take, even if it isn't the most publicized.
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I think what irks me is that to be a Democrat you have to pander to the left.

To be a republican you have to pander to the right.

Why the fuck can't you be a centrist?

Because the two sides dominate the party....

Forcing everyone to out christian out pro life out whatever each other to get the nomination.
No one should pander, I agree. In fact I admire the Ron Paul's and the Kucinich's...

But the realist in me comes about when I vote.

It's a fucked up system, and until we find some way to break it down, I think many of us are going to feel somewhat dirty.
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It's just too bad he felt he had to assure his voter base that he is indeed Christian.
With one glaring exception.
You tend to generalize too much. Just because he said he believes in Jesus in one quote out of thousands, doesn't mean he wants to assure his voter base that he is indeed Christian.

You may be a Democrat, but please don't make generalizations about Republicans. Just becasue some or many Republicans may be one way doesn't mean that all are. If Hillary Clinton had said she is Christian, i'm sure you wouldn't have minded at all. If Ron Paul had said he is Muslim, i'm sure you wouldn't have cared.

I'm not a Democrat, yet I don't generalize about all Democrats. There are some which I like, some which I don't. But I don't have this stubborn mindset that "all Democrats hate the rich," or whatever.

And what is this one glaring exception?
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