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Old 01-14-2008, 07:40 AM   #31
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But independents want to remain just that - independent of any party. The leading candidates of both parties are centrists for a good reason - to capture the vote of independents, who are much larger in number now than in the past. A good unaffiliated candidate is a real threat to the party-affiliated candiadtes.
bingo.

the point isn't to get a third party, the point is to get rid of the two we already have. so that, ya know, people use their minds as opposed to whatever the talking heads at the top of the party tell them to think.
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NEW YORK -- SurveyUSA conducted an identical survey exclusively for WABC in four separate geographies to measure the awareness of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and possible support for a third-party run for president.

For each survey, approximately 800 registered voters were interviewed, 3,200 voters in all. Surveys were conducted in New York City, the 50 United States, the state of Pennsylvania, and the state of California.

The results do not bode well for the mayor.

Even in the five boroughs of New York City, where Bloomberg is best known by voters know him best, he does not finish above 28 percent no matter who his Democratic or Republican opponents would be.

# Against Hillary Clinton and Rudolph Giuliani, Bloomberg gets 18 percent
# Against Barack Obama and Giuliani, Bloomberg gets 21 percent
# Against Clinton and John McCain, Bloomberg gets 21 percent
# Against Obama and McCain, Bloomberg gets 23 percent
# Against Clinton and Mike Huckabee, Bloomberg gets 25 percent
# Against Obama and Huckabee, Bloomberg has his best showing; he gets 28 percent, but still loses 2-to-1 to Obama

In the critical swing-state of Pennsylvania, one in five voters have never heard of Bloomberg and just 14 percent have a favorable impression of him.

In an election for president in Pennsylvania today, if Bloomberg is on the ballot, he receives at most 16 percent of the vote, no matter who his Democratic or Republican opponents are. he and consistently finishes third of three candidates.

In the delegate-rich state of California, whose electoral votes are coveted in a run for the White House, three in 10 voters have never heard of Michael Bloomberg and just 8 percent have a favorable impression of him.

In an election for president in California today, if Bloomberg is on the ballot, he receives at most 12 percent of the vote, no matter who his Democratic or Republican opponents are, and consistently finishes third of three candidates.

Finally, in a poll conducted of all 50 states, one in four voters have never heard of Michael Bloomberg and just 11 percent have a favorable impression of him. In an election for president today, if Bloomberg is on the ballot, he receives at most 13 percent of the vote. He also consistently finishes third of three candidates.

WABC-TV/DT New York, NY.
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Stats. Who would he steal votes from? Who would get into the White House because he's a selfish bitch?
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Supporters of a third-party presidential bid by Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg began a 50-state petition drive on Tuesday seeking to “draft” the mayor, a billionaire who is edging closer to entering the race while continuing to deny he is a candidate.

The petition effort was announced by two veteran political hands who say the current system in Washington is broken and needs a nonpartisan, pragmatic leader like Mr. Bloomberg.

Gerald Rafshoon, a former spokesman for President Jimmy Carter, and Doug Bailey, a longtime Republican consultant, are not the first to start an online petition drive for Mr. Bloomberg, but their move comes at the height of the primary season. They filed with the Federal Election Commission and the I.R.S. to start the draft-Bloomberg effort.

“He’d be a very unique candidate for a very unique time,” Mr. Rafshoon said.

Mr. Bloomberg, a 65-year-old Democrat-turned-Republican-turned-independent, continues to say that he is not a candidate, but he has been polling and conducting a voter analysis in every state as he decides whether to make a bid for president.
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the point isn't to get a third party, the point is to get rid of the two we already have. so that, ya know, people use their minds as opposed to whatever the talking heads at the top of the party tell them to think.
Peace and Freedom, Libertarians, American Independent, Green. Those are the major third parties. Do we need another?
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we don't need another party. we need to get rid of the ones we already have.

look... i honestly believe if more people got to know mike bloomberg across the nation that he would do better than ross perot. that still very well won't push him over the top to get elected... but after another 4 years of partisan bullshit out of washington and a strong showing in 2008 by bloomberg, he would have that much stronger a shot at actually winning the presidency come 2012.
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we don't need another party. we need to get rid of the ones we already have.

look... i honestly believe if more people got to know mike bloomberg across the nation that he would do better than ross perot. that still very well won't push him over the top to get elected... but after another 4 years of partisan bullshit out of washington and a strong showing in 2008 by bloomberg, he would have that much stronger a shot at actually winning the presidency come 2012.
really??

that worked great for Perot

he ran in 92, did pretty good

Clinton came in, and his first term was very partisan

so when Perot ran again in 96

what happened ???
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Bloomberg donated $205 million in 2007
New York City mayor moves up to No. 7 on Chronicle of Philanthropy list
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updated 12:08 p.m. ET, Tues., Jan. 15, 2008

NEW YORK - Mayor Michael Bloomberg donated $205 million to 1,100 nonprofits last year, an increase of tens of millions of dollars from previous years, according to a new ranking.

The billionaire ranked No. 7 on The Chronicle of Philanthropy's 2007 list of the country's Top 50 donors. He was No. 10 in 2006, when he gave away $165 million to more than 1,000 charities.

In 2005, Bloomberg ranked No. 8 and gave away $144 million. In 2004, he placed No. 10 after donating $138 million, according to The Chronicle, a Washington, D.C.-based publication that reports on giving and nonprofits.

Bloomberg spokesman Stu Loeser said Monday the mayor's increased donations last year "speak to just how seriously he takes the challenge of trying to make the world a better place."

Bloomberg, who founded the Bloomberg LP financial data and news service, declined to name any of the charities to which he gave money last year, The Chronicle said. But most of the charities to which he gave in previous years focus on the arts, education, health care and social services, the newspaper said.

Last year, Forbes magazine's annual list of the richest Americans ranked Bloomberg No. 25, estimating his wealth at $11.5 billion, up from 40th place in 2006 with a net worth believed to be $5.5 billion. The magazine said the significant jump in Bloomberg's worth was based on its estimate of the value of his company, of which he retains 68 percent ownership.

Other New Yorkers on the 2007 philanthropy list included Sanford I. and Joan H. Weill (No. 6), John W. Kluge (No. 5) and George Soros (No. 4). Hotelier William B. Hilton, of Beverly Hills, Calif., ranked No. 1, committing $1.2 billion, The Chronicle said.

The two-term mayor, who has been mentioned as a potential third-party presidential candidate, in part because of his ability to self-finance a campaign, insists he plans to focus full time on philanthropy once he leaves City Hall at the end of 2009.

He established the Bloomberg Family Foundation and has asked the city's Conflicts of Interest Board to advise him on whether he can diversify his investments and those of the foundation without violating his mayoral responsibilities, The Chronicle said. Last month, the board ruled he could diversify his investments as long as the identities of money managers and the investments were kept secret from him.
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really??

that worked great for Perot

he ran in 92, did pretty good

Clinton came in, and his first term was very partisan

so when Perot ran again in 96

what happened ???
okay... first off the climate in this country has changed significantly since 1996.

secondly you know full well that ross perot's crazyness was exposed in the whole nafta debocle and that he wasn't half the candidate he was in 1996 as he was in 1992 when people still thought he was only kinda crazy.

mike bloomberg is twice the candidate ross perot ever was.
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NEW YORK (CBS/AP) ― Mayor Michael Bloomberg has unleashed another flurry of jabs on Washington, ridiculing the federal government's rebate checks as being "like giving a drink to an alcoholic" on Thursday, and said the presidential candidates are looking for easy solutions to complex economic problems.

The billionaire and potential independent presidential candidate also said the nation "has a balance sheet that's starting to look more and more like a third-world country."

President Bush signed legislation Wednesday that will result in cash rebates ranging from $300 to $1,200 for more than 130 million people.

The federal checks are the centerpiece of the government's emergency effort to stimulate the economy, under the theory that most people will spend the money right away.

But Bloomberg does not believe it will do much good. And his harsh words at a news conference Thursday reflect the view among some of his associates that the country's economic woes present a unique opportunity for him to launch a third-party bid for the White House.

The theory among those urging him to run for president is that a businessman who rose from Wall Street to build his own financial information empire might be particularly appealing as the fiscal crisis worsens.

Publicly, Bloomberg says he is "not a candidate," and explained recently he is speaking out on national issues as part of an "experiment" to influence the dialogue in the race.

His tirade against the candidates and the economic stimulus package on Thursday began when he was asked how that experiment is going.

In his answer, he praised Democrat Barack Obama for the plan the Illinois senator outlined on Wednesday that would create a National Infrastructure Reinvestment Bank to rebuild highways, bridges, airports and other public projects. Obama projects it could generate nearly 2 million jobs.

Last month, Bloomberg and Govs. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California and Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania announced a coalition that would urge more investment in infrastructure.

"I don't know whether Senator Obama looked to see what I've been advocating, or not -- you'll have to ask him -- but he's doing the right thing," Bloomberg said.

But then the mayor went on to say that while the presidential candidates appear to be talking more about the economy now, they are looking for quick fixes to please voters instead of focusing on the roots of the problem.

"Nobody wants to sit there and say, 'Well there's no easy solution,"' Bloomberg said. "They want to send out a check to everybody to stimulate the economy. I suppose it won't hurt the economy but it's in many senses like giving a drink to an alcoholic."

A spokesman for the mayor said later that Bloomberg was trying to say Washington can't stop itself from spending, and was not insinuating that Americans who receive checks are part of the problem.

The mayor last month said the economic stimulus package was shortsighted, and presented his own views on where the federal government should be focusing its attention. Specifically, he said the government should adopt a capital budget to oversee long-term infrastructure spending, instead of the current year-to-year spending.

It should also offer financial counseling, modified loans, and in some cases, subsidized loans to homeowners who find themselves unable to afford their mortgages.

He says that the government should also think differently about immigration, and that bringing more workers in rather than keeping them out is the key to long term economic stability.
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Spiegel says Bloomberg now definitely rejected a Presidential bid.

His commentary in the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/op...hp&oref=slogin
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I wish the next President could just put him in charge of the economy
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If that is the way you feel then McCain is your man

not Obama.
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i could go with a mccain-bloomberg ticket... about as good a chance of me being named the VP nominee, but i'd like it none the less.
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