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Old 02-21-2003, 11:53 PM   #46
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I am not going to Oklahoma then!!!
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Old 02-22-2003, 02:21 PM   #47
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Just to jump in for a sec...Vermont Gov. Howard Dean recently explained to Salon that the Vermont law gives same-sex couples the "civil union" option mostly to give same-sex commitments the same *legal* rights (i.e. inheritance, insurance, et al.) as heterosexual couplings. He says that *marriage* is a religious thing and so it can't be called marriage. ::
Well, all government marriages are "civil unions." What else are they? Coming from my Catholic background, if you get married by the state, regardless if it is between a man and a woman, it isn't recognized by the church. This is why it has confounded me that there has been such debate over this. If a religion wishes to make a same-sex marriage, they can freely do so now, but state recognition is all that is really wanted anyway.

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Old 02-22-2003, 04:26 PM   #48
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Most established religions are.

As I see it, there can't possibly be something wrong with two people who love each other and want to commit to each other for the rest of their lives. In a society that is increasingly short on good role models for devotion and love, why are people so reluctant to give credence to the fact that persons of the same sex can fall in love and make promises just as persons of opposite sexes can?
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Most established religions are.

As I see it, there can't possibly be something wrong with two people who love each other and want to commit to each other for the rest of their lives. In a society that is increasingly short on good role models for devotion and love, why are people so reluctant to give credence to the fact that persons of the same sex can fall in love and make promises just as persons of opposite sexes can?
Exactly!

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Old 02-22-2003, 05:16 PM   #50
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I've read that the gay community is ecstatic over this because the law doesn't apply to hetero couples on same sex, so they think on the Supreme Courts past rulings they can at least get the law thrown out in states that makes it illegal ONLY for samesex people, especially since they came in their home and not in a public place.

Also - What Paxetaurora Said
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In Canada we had those sort of sodomy laws struck down inthe late 1960's waaaay back when Pierre Trudeau was still Justice minister. The statement the goverbnment has no place in the bedrooms of the nation is something he always gets quoted for. Now I know wwe Canadainas are more advanced than you Yanks but three and a half decades, now that's a little embarassing.
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In Canada we had those sort of sodomy laws struck down inthe late 1960's waaaay back when Pierre Trudeau was still Justice minister. The statement the goverbnment has no place in the bedrooms of the nation is something he always gets quoted for. Now I know wwe Canadainas are more advanced than you Yanks but three and a half decades, now that's a little embarassing.
The British Empire also ended slavery in 1809--56 years before we did. Let's just say that the U.S. is backwards in quite a few things.

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