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Old 08-17-2006, 08:09 PM   #31
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I did write

"that (many) Southerners are not Gay tolerant."

and


"Hicks would lose sales in the South if he were gay
or even thought to be gay."


do you disagree with these statements?
There are people who are not "gay tolerant" everywhere. Why perpetuate a Southern stereotype.

As for album sales, I am unaware of any statistics that sales by gay (or perceived gay) artists are lower in the South.
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I think if you polled Mississippi I think the majority would probably agree with JT, and I think they would proudly turn their backs until he "converted".
Any proof to go with that?

The three threads are beginning to paint an interesting picture. Do loud accusations of other people' sins helps cover one's own?
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There are people who are not "gay tolerant" everywhere. Why perpetuate a Southern stereotype.

As for album sales, I am unaware of any statistics that sales by gay (or perceived gay) artists are lower in the South.
Would Hicks lose sales in the South if he were anti-Bush?

Ask the dixie chicks?


"There are people who are not "gay tolerant" everywhere. "

yes water does sink to it's own level


the tide is higher in Missiissippi than in California
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really, when he has a new cd comming out

and AI is the juggernaut that drives sales?
Well, why did he say he "despised" AI and follow that up with a comment about how much pressure the expectations of the audience (to be "sweet," "earnest," and straight) puts on contestants, then? If he's so afraid to criticize the show.
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I think if you polled Mississippi I think the majority would probably agree with JT, and I think they would proudly turn their backs until he "converted".
Believing that personally is different from whether it's smart or acceptable to make such generalizations publically.
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Any proof to go with that?

The three threads are beginning to paint an interesting picture. Do loud accusations of other people' sins helps cover one's own?
I've spent a lot of time in Mississippi. And they are very proud that they voted against gay marriage and don't tolerate homosexuality. You just have to look at their newspapers and local news shows to see this.
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Would Hicks lose sales in the South if he were anti-Bush?

Ask the dixie chicks?


"There are people who are not "gay tolerant" everywhere. "

yes water does sink to it's own level


the tide is higher in Missiissippi than in California
You've got a point. They don't call this place the Bible Belt for nothing. My state's electorate just approved a law forbidding gay marriage in a referendum on Primary Day.
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I've spent a lot of time in Mississippi. And they are very proud that they voted against gay marriage and don't tolerate homosexuality. You just have to look at their newspapers and local news shows to see this.
I'm not inclined to argue the point that homophobia is probably more common in Mississippi than most other states, but again, the acceptability of publically and sweepingly stereotyping people from there is another matter, because then you're implicitly endorsing the notion that being from Mississippi is in itself cause for suspicion. I've had people make all kinds of insulting assumptions about me based on nothing more than my accent too many times to not know what the consequences of that are like.
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I've spent a lot of time in Mississippi. And they are very proud that they voted against gay marriage and don't tolerate homosexuality. You just have to look at their newspapers and local news shows to see this.
I understand the process by which people maintain stereotypes and prejudices. I think the question is how do we get beyond them?
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I understand the process by which people maintain stereotypes and prejudices. I think the question is how do we get beyond them?
But if a stereotype happens to be true for the most part, there shouldn't be any 'getting beyond' it, because to 'get past' an accurate stereotype is, in a way, to deny a truth.
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He (Timberlake) is from that area isn't he?
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He's from TN, around Memphis.

From what I've read about this "incident", he mimicked a Mississippi accent (more or less similar to a Memphis accent, depending somewhat on which region of MS you're talking about) when he said the "Oh my God, I voted for a queer" bit. I've never heard him speak and have no idea whether he normally has any trace of an accent himself.
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Yolland is right on target here. Go back and read her posts. She makes a lot of sense. And Nbc, you're asking good questions.

I'll be the first to admitt I'd be quick to stereotype all southerners in a certain way. Yolland's comment about her accent cut me to the quick. I'd never thought of it, but how much longer might it have taken for me to reach the high of level of esteem I have for her, if I'd heard her voice rather than read her posts.

It's not with any pride that I admitt my own struggle with prejudice in this arena, but I have to say Timberlake was out of line. He shouldn't have said what he said. And Yolland fairly and accurately called him out. And Nbc is right there is a double standard, that we all need to be aware of.
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But if a stereotype happens to be true for the most part, there shouldn't be any 'getting beyond' it, because to 'get past' an accurate stereotype is, in a way, to deny a truth.
If we were talking about young black men instead of white Mississipians this statement would get shot down in a heartbeat.
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Yeah, I don't put these kinds of assumptions on a par with racial/ethnic slurs or anything--I've been on the receiving end of both, and the latter are a LOT more distressing, as are of course homophobic slurs as well--but they are, at the very least, hedging into stupid-and-insulting territory, especially when said publically (and then reacted to with "Well it's true, Southerners really are like that"). Yes, I think most likely Timberlake is right about Hicks getting less support from Mississippians--and folks from his home state, Alabama, as well as what I gather is his current state, Tennessee--if he were outed (not much likelihood of that, from what I can tell from Googling bios about him), but it's tasteless to publically frame that the way he did--even if his larger point had nothing to do with homophobia, but rather the "pressures" of being an AI contestant.

Stereotyping is natural and inevitable from a sociological standpoint, but nonetheless all stereotypes are by definition inaccurate, and especially when you're talking stereotypes about people, the problem with employing them is that it implies uncritical acceptance that all individuals belonging to whichever category display whichever behavior. Get enough people freely doing that, and it will start to have adverse consequences for individuals belonging to that category, whether they've "earned" the collective rep or not.
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Isn't the only thing Justin Timberlake is doing/saying is seeking publicity for his new CD or whatever it is?!
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