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Old 01-25-2008, 01:35 AM   #76
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the GOP machine is against McCain, they will never forgive him for finance campaign reform
among a few other things

and they can not stomach Huckabee's populace talk about helping poor people and the fact that he raise taxes in Ark.


They machine had high hopes for Giuliani and they like Romney, too


I expect Huckabee and Rudy to fade soon

Romney will be the pick of GOP insiders
McCain will be the pick of GOP regular people
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but is this what we want? another 49.6% president like GWB?
I think it's maybe the cards we are dealt.
My previous response to maycocksean, dealt with this a bit.

I dont have to tell you about the wrath of the social conservatism.

Is Obama just going to sell the 'Left' out to heal these rifts?

I don't think he would. He'd be dealing with the right-wing beast in no time.

We are a country on two different paths.
A more secular nation and a more religous nation.
We also have 75% or whatever and ALL Republicans wanting to toss some Mexicans out on their ass. How is he going to deal with this? It's the #1 issue for them.

Just reasoning why I think this is a realism and not cynicism.
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No Billary here

just Hillary
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"We knew getting into this race that Barack would be competing with Senator Clinton and President Clinton at the same time," she wrote in a fundraising appeal to supporters. "What we didn't expect, at least not from our fellow Democrats, are the win-at-all-costs tactics we've seen recently."

If they aren't "in it to win it".

Then why run?

Maybe Obamas would prefer a candidate like Fred Thompson
sleep walking his way through

or an idiot like Giuliani, choosing not to compete in most of the early primaries and getting 1% of the vote
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"kid" is a racial slight. my boyfriend's grandparents called black men "boy" their whole life.


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i would have happily voted for her as a respectable second choice should she be the nominee.

now, i'll have to shower afterwards.

I can say with certainly that "boy" is a slur.

Even today older men 50s and 60s +
use that term among themselves when they speak about black men they do not like

I guess the concept is that even a black adult male is no more responsible than a boy

and that a boy should be submissive to a man.


Clinton called himself the "Comeback kid"

When I hear older people using the term "kid" for adults it seems they are suggesting youth.

When Clinton chose the word kid
he may have been implying youth or suggesting lack of experience.

I have been called kid by people 15 - 20 years older than myself. I don't recall being called "boy" by any of them.

I think Obama is capable of beating the GOP candidate.

I would vote for him, even after all the whining.
I will not have to take a shower afterwards.
I don't think of him in "that way".
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If they aren't "in it to win it".

Then why run?

Everybody's in it to win it. Not everyone is willing to play dirty or cheat to win. I think that's what Mrs. Obama was implying.
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Here's an excellent op-ed from the Washington Post on how Hillary unites the GOP.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1
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That was kind of a surface analysis. I think this is going to be a more complex election than we've seen in the past. I think block goups are splintered. I don't think this is a philosophical election. I think it is a meat and potatoes one. I'm not getting a gauge on the independents yet.
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Maybe Obamas would prefer a candidate like Fred Thompson
sleep walking his way through



or maybe every time Hillary gets into political trouble as president, she'll cry, and then send her husband out to throw tantrums and suck all media attention away from her shortcomings.
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Hillaryland Is Hell, Staffers Say

Friday, January 25, 2008 12:44 PM

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Despite Hillary Clinton’s surprising win in the New Hampshire primary, discontent remains the order of the day in “Hillaryland,” according to an article in the liberal New Republic.

“For all of Team Hillary’s gifts, it is not known as a happy group,” Michelle Cottle writes in the magazine.

“‘I’ve never seen a campaign where everyone feels so bad about themselves,’ says one campaign staffer, echoing others.”

That feeling was palpable the morning after Clinton’s defeat in the Iowa caucuses, when a “sad and sorry Team Hillary” gathered for a conference call with the candidate, Cottle relates.

After Hillary came on the line, message guru Mandy Grunwald tried to spur conversation by asking staffers if they had any thoughts. No one spoke. After a pregnant pause, Hillary began talking for a few minutes about the campaign. Again, silence.

An angry Hillary finally snarled: “This has been very helpful talking to myself” — and hung up.

Following Iowa, rumors began circulating that there would be a major shakeup in the Clinton campaign staff. Then came the New Hampshire win. But discord remains in Hillaryland, the New Republic article disclosed.

The unease has been spurred in large part by the “fear-inducing, high-handed” leadership of the advisors known as “the Five” – Grunwald, campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle, top strategist Mark Penn, policy chief Neera Tanden, and communications director Howard Wolfson.

The five, called by Cottle the “devout members of Hillaryland,” have kept “an iron grip on everything from ideas to access.”

The staffer deemed most likely to be replaced after Iowa was Penn, according to Cottle.

“The reasons are legion: his high profile; his right-of-center politics; his myopic focus on issues; his dismissal of the need for Hillary to get personal and address her likability problem; his unusual dual role as top strategist and pollster; and, of course, his famously rough manner.”

New Hampshire brought Penn a reprieve — and not everyone in the Clinton campaign was happy about that.

“So strong was the desire for change,” Cottle writes, “that the Granite State miracle, while obviously a godsend, left some staffers deflated as it became clear that the planned overhaul had been derailed.”





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or maybe every time Hillary gets into political trouble as president, she'll cry, and then send her husband out to throw tantrums and suck all media attention away from her shortcomings.
calculated or legitimate?

end result
changed momentum to allow Clintons to pursue their agenda

I remember the 90s quite well
and those Clintons are tricky
they just won't lie down and die

and they manage to keep pushing their agenda
or modify it enough to keep it going (for the most part)

their programs and agendas (as they triangulated and changed them even) were very good for the country and the international community

yes, I can pick parts that I think were wrong

but with them and any administration one should grade on the overall achievements

just give a score to Clintons two terms

and the two headed- monster and administration of Karl Rove (that no one voted for but everyone had to campaign and legislate against) and W Bush



I just ordered a very nice body wash product to send to you
you will be voting for Billary.
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and if you think that Bush is someone who cannot admit he's ever made a mistake, wait till we have the Clintons back in the white house.



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Fri Jan 25, 8:56 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former President Bill Clinton said he might have gone too far in attacking Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton said on Friday, adding that both Democratic presidential campaigns should focus on issues.

"He said several times yesterday that maybe he got a little bit carried away," Hillary Clinton said on CBS' "Early Show."
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i'm talking about the Mrs.

especially that Iraq vote. was it a mistake?
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calculated or legitimate?

end result
changed momentum to allow Clintons to pursue their agenda

I remember the 90s quite well
and those Clintons are tricky
they just won't lie down and die

because that's how the Russians won WW2 -- scorched earth.





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I just ordered a very nice body wash product to send to you
you will be voting for Billary.

i prefer Kiehls. i shall see when it arrives the extent to which my vote shall be affected.

i also enjoy a specific bodywash that one can order from 10,000 Waves in Santa Fe. i had the privilege of hanging with one joyfulgirl, and whenever i use the wash purchased at said spa, i am taken back to that lovely weekend.
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