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Old 02-26-2003, 12:14 AM   #1
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So, has there ever been a successful US supported/installed government?

Really, has there been? And by successful, I mean democratic, non-human rights violating, non-stealing, etc.

All I can think of are:

The Phillipines (which I can never spell): Marcos, not successful.

Panama: Noriega, not successful

Afganistan: the Taliban, not successful

Chile: Pinochet, not successful

Iran: the Shah, not successful

Iraq: Saddam Hussein (sp?), not successful

So, if Bush doesn't like Saddam, and wants to replace him, what kind of track record are we looking at here?

Many of you know a hell of a lot more about this than I do. Which ones that worked am I missing? Educate me.
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Japan and West Germany.

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South Korea and Italy.
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One of the qualifications was democratic. They try, but are they really there yet?


Ok, so we've got three so far, all from World War 2.
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The question is whether we are interested in nation building anymore. All four of those examples are from the late 1940s-early 1950s.

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This may be wrong, but according to my current political science GSI (grad student instructor) there has never been a successful democratic government installed in a country solely by the US.
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By the way, the USA did not install or support the Taliban in Afghanistan. The USA did not install Saddam, but did provide some support in the form of military intelligence about Iranian military positions, favorable trade relations, money for food, trucks and transport helicopters. It should be realized over the years the USA through the marshall plan provided support to multiple countries in Western Europe and has since provided support to dozens of other democracies around the world. So support is kind of a broad term to be using here.
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This may be wrong, but according to my current political science GSI (grad student instructor) there has never been a successful democratic government installed in a country solely by the US.
Japan was solely occupied by the U.S. for 10 years following World War II. You can tell your GSI that (s)he is wrong.

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South Korea is a democracy.
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Maybe now, but when I was younger, I remember the big shit when an opposition candidate was allowed to run.
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Thanks for the info, melon.
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By the way, the USA did not install or support the Taliban in Afghanistan.



The USA did not install Saddam, but did provide some support in the form of military intelligence about Iranian military positions, favorable trade relations, money for food, trucks and transport helicopters.

The Taliban was fighting the Soviets with my tax dollars. That's support.

Your buddy Saddam was againt Iran so he got support.


But I'll give you those two.

I'm still waiting for modern examples of regime changes sponsored by the US that haven't come back to bite us in the ass. I'll have to wait until tomorrow though, 'cause it's past my bedtime.
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Martha,

The Taliban did not exist back in the 1980s. The US supported the Mujahadeen back in the 1980s against Soviet Occupation of the country. In 1989 when the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan, the USA pulled out of the region. After much civil war between various factions in Afghanistan, the Taliban came to power in Afghanistan in 1996 with the aid of Pakistan. Much of the Mujahadeen we had supported back in the 1980s formed the North Alliance and fought the Taliban every year while they were in power. We would later support the Northern Alliance in 2001 and help them overthrow the Taliban.
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and sting2, lets talk about the northern alliance for a moment, shall we?

from what ive heard theyre just as evil as the taliban themselves.
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