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Old 04-23-2007, 03:33 PM   #31
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Well if you read, I said rap, not Hip Hop.
Yes and you are still wrong.
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Can you say this about those organizations, though?


i don't disagree with the point about homicides, and for what it's worth i've overheard such attitudes in my neighborhood, but my comment was more about the pathologizing of "ghetto mentalities" when they are every bit as prevelant in the corporate world, or the religious world. in fact, the overall attitude of the corporate world is contemptuous of the law itself, not just of those who are asked to enforce the law.
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Yes and you are still wrong.
No I am not. Rap is the same music that got Imus in trouble, and the black community is trying to get rid of, yet Snoop promotes.
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my comment was more about the pathologizing of "ghetto mentalities" when they are every bit as prevelant in the corporate world, or the religious world. in fact, the overall attitude of the corporate world is contemptuous of the law itself, not just of those who are asked to enforce the law.
Oh, I agree, and I suspect doing the easy thing and "pathologizing" it is precisely what all this focus on Cam'ron is all about. But they are very different kinds of problems and the temptations for misattributing their causes are different.
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No I am not. Rap is the same music that got Imus in trouble, and the black community is trying to get rid of, yet Snoop promotes.
Imus got Imus in trouble. Don't try and make him the victim. Maybe you are just listening to the wrong rap.
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Imus got Imus in trouble. Don't try and make him the victim. Maybe you are just listening to the wrong rap.
Well then please tell me where I can find some good rap................................................................................ I hope you can sort out the two.
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I hope you can sort out the two.
Well first define your difference for me...
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Well then please tell me where I can find some good rap................................................................................ I hope you can sort out the two.


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Well then please tell me where I can find some good rap................................................................................ I hope you can sort out the two.
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Well then please tell me where I can find some good rap................................................................................ I hope you can sort out the two.
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Public Enemy
i was going to list them

along with arrested development


but, what determines the rap artists' material?


who buys it?

at one time we had mc hammer "you can't touch this"

why aren't public enemy and arrested development still at the top of the charts

i don't think gang - bangers are the ones that buy the over-whelming majority of the gangster music
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More proof that rap music does nothing but cause problem in society.
Or is rap caused by the problems in society, think about it.
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No I am not. Rap is the same music that got Imus in trouble, and the black community is trying to get rid of, yet Snoop promotes.


Justin. . .how did rap music get Imus in trouble? Did rappers invent the word "ho"? And I can assure you that there "nappy-headed" is not a commonly used phrase in rap. And neither is "jigaboo". . .

And there it is "the black community" again. . .We black folks are not all thinking in lockstep you know. . .

Why don't you read Yolland's posts on this thread. She's got some really good points you should consider!
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No I am not. Rap is the same music that got Imus in trouble,

Did he try and dance to it or something?
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By Daniel TrottaMon Apr 23, 2:27 PM ET

Prominent U.S. hip-hop executive Russell Simmons on Monday recommended eliminating the words "bitch," "ho" and "nigger" from the recording industry, considering them "extreme curse words."

The call comes less than two weeks after radio personality Don Imus' nationally syndicated and televised radio show was canceled amid public outcry over Imus calling a women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos."

Simmons, co-founder of the Def Jam label and a driving force behind hip-hop's huge commercial success, called for voluntary restrictions on the words and setting up an industry watchdog to recommend guidelines for lyrical and visual standards.

"We recommend that the recording and broadcast industries voluntarily remove/bleep/delete the misogynistic words 'bitch' and 'ho' and the racially offensive word 'nigger'," Simmons and Benjamin Chavis, co-chairmen of the advocacy group Hip-Hop Summit Action Network, said in a statement.

"These three words should be considered with the same objections to obscenity as 'extreme curse words'," it said.

Ho is slang for whore and commonly used in hip-hop music while nigger, a derogatory term for blacks, is among the most highly charged insults in American culture. The slur "nappy," used by Imus, describes the tightly curled hair of many African Americans.

CHANGING STANCE

Monday's statement changed course from another one by Simmons and Chavis dated April 13, a day after Imus' show was canceled, in which they said offensive references in hip-hop "may be uncomfortable for some to hear, but our job is not to silence or censor that expression."

The Imus controversy stoked a debate in the United States about how to deal with inflammatory words that are widely considered highly offensive but at the same time commonly and casually used in youth culture.

U.S. black leaders such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have led the charge to suppress offensive words while many artists have argued for freedom of expression. New York City declared a symbolic moratorium on the so-called N-word in February.

"Our internal discussions with industry leaders are not about censorship. Our discussions are about the corporate social responsibility of the industry to voluntarily show respect to African Americans and other people of color, African American women and to all women in lyrics and images," the statement from Simmons and Chavis said on Monday.

The network recommended the formation of a Coalition on Broadcast Standards that would consist of leading executives from music, radio and television.

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