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Old 10-24-2001, 06:29 PM   #76
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well said Anthony, I have the upmost respect for the manner in which you have worded your opinion. Nevertheless my view remains the same( it may have been undermined by my vulgar language I appologize) Americans are too patriotic for their own good, to a point where anagnariasis is never realised, only the bitter howls of a mob that has not seen the truth in life

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Old 10-24-2001, 06:47 PM   #77
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alright now that enough I can no longer hold my silence on this matter. yes the US should attack afghanistan for harbouring Bin laden, and yes I support the manner by which the United States are going about assalting the Taliban regime. Block does have several points that are very relevant, and I respect his opinion for that. I also respect the way in which he is carrying himself in this all to biased thread. You Americans disgust me! you can think of nothing more than patriotism and bloody revenge. Much like your enemy the Taliban.

YOu cannot keep an objective view on this topic. It appears as though your answer to all your problems is war. If it ain't american, bomb it. You cannot begin to understand how Islamic culture functions, so my suggestion to you dumbass presidents is to keep your nose where it belongs, in North America.

Screw your patriotism, and all that you stand for. Starsnstripes you are a fool, your patriotism has obvisouly blurred your vision. Lemonite you really struck a nerve on this one, fuck you piece of redneck trash, why dont you go widen your gene pool. At least us canadians dont get involved in what doesnt concern us. you make me sick, dont go knocking us Canadians, because were smarter, slimmer, funnyer and overall leaps and bouds ahead of your crime infested hole you call a country. FEEL FREE TO FLAME REDNECK
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Damn. I didn't get insulted! I feel useless now. Why did I get left out? Doesn't my patritism make you sick, also, Holy John or BLOCK, or whoever you really are?
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America: The Good Neighbor

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth.


Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these
countries is today paying even the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States.

Everybody in Europe is highly gratefull for the military support
during WWII and the financial support after the war. But let us
not forget that the financial help from the US wasn't merely out of altruÔstic reasons. A strong European economy was and is as important for the USA as it was and is for Europe itself.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
Paris. I was there. I saw it.

I honestly don't know much about this.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
American communities were flattened by Tornadoes.
Nobody helped.

The US obviously isn't the only country helping when a disaster
of some kind occurs somewhere around the world. The reasons
other countries aren't giving as much help to the US as they give other countries might be; 1. The US never really asks for help (to proud?),
2. Everybody is used to the US handling their own business (they won't have it any other way ) and 3. There aren't a lot of things other countries can offer because the US is not known to be short of cash, manpower or technologies.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
newspapers in those countries are writing about the
decadent, war- mongering Americans.

Freedom of press baby!!

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet,
the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
don't they fly them? Why do all the International
lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Other countries fly American planes for the same reason as why
the US uses Dutch radar systems for their navy, Japanese radio's etc.
I don't think the fact that an US company has the biggest marketshare makes the US itself a better country and is certainly no reason not to criticize its foreign policies.
Ridiculous!

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
not once, but several times - and safely home again.

The only reason the US put a man on the moon in the first place
was because the Russians won the first-man-in-space-trophey.
It was all about status. After that they took the momentum to actually do some research on the moon. Not to long after that, there wasn't much left to research so America stopped sending people to the moon. In this day and age, sending people to the moon isn't worth the effort and the money. Unless you care for status ofcourse...

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them,
unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting
American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

So?

When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
caboose. Both are still broke.

The US haven't got enough money to rebuild two railroads?

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
even one time when someone else raced to the Americans
in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
during the San Francisco earthquake.

Can you name 5000 times when the US raced to the help of other
people without getting some profit (sorry, I can't think of a better word right now ) I can remember a lot of countries sent or offered to send help after the terrorist attacks.
Does this Gordon Sinclair guy still have a job? Because this os one of the
worst articles I have ever read.

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Does this Gordon Sinclair guy still have a job? Because this os one of the
worst articles I have ever read.
No; he died in 1984.

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of course your patriotism sickens me to the core, but worse in your lack of intellect and rancid attitude.... GIVE PEACE A CHANCE

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Americans are too patriotic for their own good, to a point where anagnariasis is never realised, only the bitter howls of a mob that has not seen the truth in life.
Yes, Gcat, it is a wise observation that there are many Americans who are over-patriotic about all this (I have the deattachment of knowing that it doesn't directly concern me, I am British), however, not ALL Americans are that way, in fact, MOST aren't. And even if they were all moronically patriotic, people are still forgetting the issue (inclusive those who are patriotic) at hand; it is not a question of America's patriotism, I don't think, but a question of eliminating cruelty in the overthrowing of a corrupt 'government'.

There are clearly too many issues at hand, that is not the point. The point is you have to have the courage to face upto the very core of the situation, and that is not America's patriotism. Personally, I'm the kind of person who felt like vomiting in the opening and closing sequences of 'Saving Private Ryan', when the film opened with a never-ending shot of the American flag. In fact, truth to tell I felt the film was everything that makes a good war movie a bad one; biase and patriotism. However, I digress; my point is, no matter how much American patriotism may irritate you, it should not cloud your judgement here, in the present, with the real enemies on the battlefield.

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I have alot of respect for the British, and you are no exception Anthony, I loved saving private ryan, it remains one of my favorite war movies, but now that you point out the utter over-patriotism its image is slightly tainted. I belive if Americans lost the mentality that they are supperior to the rest of humankind, they would be able to get past many of their social problems. The first step in doing so would be to admit that a problem exist.

SO I challenge you Americans, admit to me, and the rest on this board that you are over patriotic and I will lose my bias, I belive that none of you will, or at least very few will

And I am not block nor am I Holy John
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I thank you for your 'respect' for the British, but I do think that it is somewhat misguided. If you respect the British, you shouldn't really condemn America. After all, if what you are against is Patriotism and NAtionalism, then I must inform you that Great Britain practically invented it!

Again, I don't think Patriotism features much in this discussion, anyway. And you're right, you wont get many Americans 'confessing' to being over-patriotic, because, as I said earlier, most of them aren't. Most of them do live in the real world, Gcat, they aren't the ones I'm worried about. The ones I'm worried about are the ones spreading Anthrax everywhere. I'm sure that if Canada (which, I must add, IS part of the coalition, as you know) suffered the same attacks as the USA did, then your attitude would be somewhat altered. I know mine wouldn't be so 'objective'.

However, I am intrigued, please do tell me your views on alternative methods of peace. How is peace achieved in such a time of heated sentiments?

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of course your patriotism sickens me to the core, but worse in your lack of intellect and rancid attitude.... GIVE PEACE A CHANCE
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if that is the way you would like to label me then go on...

Such is the American way, mock or destroy all that stand in your path.

WHy you dont you and Lemonite go back to the trailer and frolic with Uncle Bob, and ya'll can have a hootenannie, a hoe-down if you will

Dont you have some roadkill to go feast on, I hear the possum is succulent down there
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Your socio-economic stereotyping of Americans is abusive and insulting. Someone should seek to have you banned from www.interference.com .

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Old 10-24-2001, 08:46 PM   #88
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hey obama bin laden
take it easy

I have nothign against Americans per se, its their morals and ideals I cannot justify

I hope you dont ban me
but if you fell it is imperative that my presence not be felt then go and do so.
It will only strengthen my belive or lack thereof in American ideals

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BACK FROM THE DEAD!

It seems everytime someone ruffles your feathers your ready to kick them off the forum! Well I have one last thing to say before my upcoming banishment. This is an INTERNET FORUM, free speach! I realize that we want to stay civil but Gcat said nothing too far out of line and I don't sincerly believe that you acually care what Gcat or myself has to say. We being Canadians livin' in those iglues. What do you think about that eh?

Why don't you hitch a ride back to your trailer park, watch for the road kill you don't want to ruin dinner! Go back to your brother 'Uncle dad', and have a thrilling game of shoot the rat. See y'all when I get there, unless you see me first. (I'm the one that's not a redneck)

Thank you and Goodnight!

PEACE

P.S. I'm not trying to tell everyone off again, I'm simply stating what I think to be an acuarte portral of the 'American Dream' since none of you could tell me what that was.
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