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Old 10-18-2001, 10:13 PM   #31
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Babble;

My answer to your question is simple. I think that the US should stop what they are doing right now! Then take the leaders of Afgan on to live Televison and SHOW THEM THE PROOF that they CLAIM to be unaware of. Now I myself haven't seen this "proof" either. But I have enough 'faith' in the World that there acually is some. Now in that way the Afgan government could not possibly deny the fact that they would be wrong. And would be forced to hand over Bin Laden.
Now once the American government has a hold of him. I say we shouldn't kill him, that would only be giving him what he wants. Put him in a room that has the pictures of everyone that he killed in that airstrike plastered onto the walls, and keep him alive in that room for the rest of his life.

Seems like that would be the thing to do. No WAR!

Now I'm sure some of you will ask me ' Well BLOCK, you know, what if they Afgan government doesn't hand him over even if they get the evidence. ' Well then I would have to say, STOP BOMBING! And if getting a hold of one man is really that important to you, send in ground troops to forcefully take him so that you can be sure, with the appropriate amount of 'error' ( I guess we can call cold blooded murdering an 'error' since I'm sure that's what the report will say ) that no civilian will be harmed unnessisarily(if thats how you spell it).

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Old 10-18-2001, 10:28 PM   #32
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Put him (Bin Laden) in a room that has the pictures of everyone that he killed in that airstrike plastered onto the walls, and keep him alive in that room for the rest of his life.
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Really, Block, if you put a man in prison, would you put all his trophies in there with him? For that's what those 6000 people are to him...trophies of the horrendous crime he pulled off. Do you really think it would make him feel bad? Sorry. Wouldn't work. He would be glad that if he had to be in prison, he could at least be comforted by looking upon the pictures of the many "infidels" he killed in the name of what he thinks is Allah. He would think we were honoring him.
Also, you put the man in prison, and his cronies would break him out, or at least kill a lot of people trying. And what happens when he's in jail? How does that stop all the other terrorists from committing their crimes? It doesn't. theer is only one solution. Destroy the terrorist groups before they destroy America. And then the rest of the world. Block, if those guys win this war, you'll be living in a world controlled by pure unadulterated evil and hate. You could then kiss all your freedoms goodnight, especially the freedom to criticize your government.
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Old 10-18-2001, 10:42 PM   #33
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Ah darn, ye beat me 80's ...but just want I wanted to say. Block, we are dealing with individuals that are willing to do anything to kill Americans, in fact as 80's said, they feel it is honorable to do so. It is not just Bin Laden we are dealing with....this is a whole terrorist group.

Just one more thing....You say: "And if getting a hold of one man is really that important to you"
I surely hope you feel that it is worth "getting hold" of this man that is responsible for the murder of thousands of innnocent lives (and not just Americans). Surely you agree that justice must be served.

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Ah yes, and thank you BLOCK, for answering my question.
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True he does live to kill people who do not beleive in what he beleives but I seriously think that if he was in solitary for the rest of his life, waisting away in that cell. And having the only thing to look at be the people that he killed. I think that that would surly send him mad.

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Old 10-19-2001, 01:14 AM   #36
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Just to clarify for those of you who STILL think I'm an American hating terrorist. I'M NOT!

I think America is great! I don't 'LOVE' America but I don't 'HATE' America either. I guess that would make me neutral..quite a concept eh?
The issue is NOT whether you are pro or anti America. The issue is which side you take on terrorism. There is no room for neutrality here as I see it. Regardless of what you think of our gov't, let them take care of this world-wide threat, go back to being critical of US foreign policy later.



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Old 10-19-2001, 01:32 AM   #37
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Now for some qoute:

I quoted something like this in another thread and this is just wrong - maybe US is giving the most in absolute amount of help - BUT when you look at help in percentage of countries GDP than it's something totaly different. Of all the western states Danemark gives 1% of their GDP, than comes other nations as Norway, France, Sweden, Australia, Germany (not paricukary in that order), and US is on the bottom of that list with 0,1% of their GDP. Don't get me wrong, you give a lot, but by saying that you give the most, especialy by the heas of the citisen, is an insult to all those nations, and all those people that give more thatn you.


Point taken, Marko, but really, what do % of GNP statistics mean to starving people??


Another thing: why couldn't a country be neutral? ......... And what does neutral means? Is being neutral not acting and helping, or is it saying that you are neutral?
Not helping or acting doesn't show neutrality, the US knows many of its allies are not able to offer anything.

Oh, and the Swiss thing- they claim neutrality all the time when a fight breaks out so as to avoid being attacked. The fact is that during WWII they were a silent partner of the Axis, and probably are assisting one side or the other now. Didn't they help freeze terrorist assets last month or was that another country?

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Then take the leaders of Afgan on to live Televison and SHOW THEM THE PROOF that they CLAIM to be unaware of. Now I myself haven't seen this "proof" either. But I have enough 'faith' in the World that there acually is some. Now in that way the Afgan government could not possibly deny the fact that they would be wrong. And would be forced to hand over Bin Laden.

Okay. Would we have Geraldo Rivera moderate this little television spectacle?
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We know there's more to it than just the apprehension of bin Laden. Trust me. The U.S. has toppled governments for more frivolous reasons (Guatemala's last democracy was toppled by the U.S. at the request of a U.S. pineapple company), and knowing that a nation harbors terrorists, or, more specifically, enemies of the U.S., makes it a prime target for destruction.

What one must hope here, though, is that the U.S. will see this through and not install another tyrannical government like it has been fond of in the past. The Northern Alliance isn't as clean as the media paints them to be, you know. The Afghanistan civil war is mostly a case of various evils entrenched in rivalry. The people? Expendable. Once the Taliban falls, it is likely that the Northern Alliance will start fighting amongst itself, as it did before the Taliban.

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Block,

Your idea is dependent entirely upon the Taliban being the sort of people and government who respond to reason. Do you honestly think that they will capitulate and surrender Bin Laden when faced with evidence of his complicity in the 9/11 terror attacks? No government on earth behaves in such a reasonable way and yes I'm including the United States. Besides, they already know that he was involved. Everyone knows that he was involved except for Interferencer Patti Jones who is strangely convinced of his innocence.

Melon makes the sound point that the Northern Alliance might not be the most benevolent of rulers either. Perhaps not but I'm left with the same question I keep harping on in these matters: What is the alternative? Apparently Secretary of State Colin Powell has assured Pakistan that the Northen Alliance will only be one part of a coalition government in Afghanistan but what does that mean really? Who will make up the other "parts?"

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Bin Ladin cannot be captured. Bin Ladin cannot be jailed. Bin Ladin must be killed, whether by assassination, o rbomb, he must not be allowed to live.

If he were to be put into a jail, all it would take is one hijacked plane of his followers (this we all know is now possible) to demand him to be freed as a ransom or they would kill everyone on the plane (this we also now know is possible, and probable.)

If this does not occur for the four we just sent away for life, I would be very surprised...
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Old 10-19-2001, 04:42 PM   #42
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Ok, well since I am obvioulsy wrong. I guess that I really can't be on no side. I guess I really can't not beleive in WAR. All you crusaders really proved me wrong on this one. WAR IS GREAT! O well, I lose. Just like all those innocent people that are going to be killed by the US and the Afgan governments.

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Ok, well since I am obvioulsy wrong. I guess that I really can't be on no side. I guess I really can't not beleive in WAR. All you crusaders really proved me wrong on this one. WAR IS GREAT! O well, I lose. Just like all those innocent people that are going to be killed by the US and the Afgan governments.
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BLOCK, that's kind of a silly reply. None of us said War is great. We merely said it's teh only viable alternative in this situation.
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I know it was a bit childish but war can never be the ONLY choice...killing is not an option.
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I know it was a bit childish but war can never be the ONLY choice...killing is not an option.
BLOCK,
If you feel that the alternative solution you have posted here is a valid one then why not try to rally other anti-war individuals into getting this message, this alternative solution, across to the U.S. government? If you truly have the faith that this plan would work, and if you truly care about the lives of the innocent Afghan people, is it not worth a try? I think you know this solution you've come up with is ineffective and you aren't willing to admit it.

You and other anti-war people (who seem to have completely dissapeared over the last few days) have complained about some Americans' zealous blind patriotism and support of our government, but I say that many anti-war people are guilty of the same thing. Blindly following.





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