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Old 10-16-2001, 07:12 PM   #16
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O YA..

I think i can be on NO SIDE for WAR..i never am on the side of killing
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Old 10-16-2001, 08:40 PM   #17
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You're not allowed to dislike America, BLOCK. You must join on the bandwagon, otherwise you'll be cast to the lions. It's not like this place is called, "Free Your Mind," or anything.

And, yes, I support what's going on war-wise, at least with the info the government has been spoon-feeding the media. So you can't accuse me of being a "terrorist sympathizer."

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I want to remind you that with any kind of technology things can break down. There is no weapon system that hits its target 100% of the time. One out of every four US soldiers that died during the Gulf War, died from friendly fire. Mistakes happen, and technology is not error proof. Investing in high tech weaponry has led to a massive drop in the number of civilian losses from air strikes. During World War II, it took nearly a thousand air sorties to destroy a single fixed target, in Vietnam a over hundred, today usually only one. This also helps to bring the conflict to a decisive conclusion sooner by being more effective in destroying enemy forces and there by ending the conflict sooner which in turn protects civilians.
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And what would America do when my homecountry was attacked ?
Ummm...

Watch the movies "A Bridge Too Far" and "Band of Brothers", then get back to us.


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You're not allowed to dislike America, BLOCK. You must join on the bandwagon, otherwise you'll be cast to the lions. It's not like this place is called, "Free Your Mind," or anything.

Melon,

I notice YOU have no problem disagreeing with people on this board. That's all some of us did here, disagree with BLOCK. It's not like we froze his Interference account or anything...

Get over yourself!

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That's all some of us did here, disagree with BLOCK.
The "some of us" probably doesn't include me. I did more than disagree with him. I vented. But this time I'm not gonna apologize. The anti-American rhetoric is getting old.

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Get over yourself!
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BLOCK:

Your views are skewed and simply ignorant. I do not know if what you said comes from the age you are (I assume very young) or from your ability to live in a beautiful country that needs not worry about terrorism in your homeland.

To begin with, you should read the essay by a Canadian journalist named Gordon Sinclair. I have posted it under the name USA "The Good Neighbor". It speaks of how during every war, World and otherwise the USA has been there to help other countries in other countries. Yes, the USA may have had something to gain from this, but most likely it was helping other countries develop democratic lands so that they do not end up like regimes from the middle east where women are circumsized, made to wear veils, and are stoned to death if they walk outside without a male from their imeediate family. The parallels between fundamental extremist Islam and the Nazi party are clear and if they are not watched, reacted to, or fought World War Three will be here closer than most think (unless it has begun.)

For someone from a country whose borders are as strong as gauze to be criticizing the USA for its reaction, you should be ashamed of yourself. Many of the culprits in this disgusting act came through your country to get here.

I may be venting, and I may be mad to read your views on this, but please understand the direct analogy here is this: if I walked up to you (being a total stranger) and slapped you in the face, you would not look the other way.

It strikes closer to home as the first plane to hit the WTC flew over my head.

The office I work in overlooks the disaster site. It is immense, dense, and full of death.

The work I do is based in Canada and a Canadian colleague of mine brought up this point, what if this happened in Canada, what would/could your country do??? Either Canada would do nothing, as you suggest, or your government would have to rely on its allies (including the US) to fight its war for you. Shame.

Do not criticize the US response to this simply because we are able to respond to this.

Finally, do not criticize the US response, but more so AMERICANS because, need I remind you, YOU block, YOU too are the extreme fundamentalist Islamic's enemy, they do not segregate Americans from Canadians, but democratic, freedom loving people from male religious pshychotic zealots.

Again, shame on you. You do not need to know people who died in this tragedy to understand it, but you should respect those who do before you let your ignorance pervade forums like this.

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Old 10-17-2001, 06:21 PM   #24
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America: The Good Neighbor

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these
countries is today paying even the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
American communities were flattened by Tornadoes.
Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
newspapers in those countries are writing about the
decadent, war- mongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet,
the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
don't they fly them? Why do all the International
lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them,
unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting
American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
even one time when someone else raced to the Americans
in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
to thumb their nose at The lands that are gloating
over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one
of those."

Stand proud, America!"


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Old 10-18-2001, 02:13 PM   #25
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Ummm...

Watch the movies "A Bridge Too Far" and "Band of Brothers", then get back to us.


Oke, i will watch it after Pearl habour.

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Old 10-18-2001, 02:16 PM   #26
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Oke, i will watch it after Pearl habour.

LOL...good one there. You've got me laughing now.

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America: The Good Neighbor

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
forgave other billions in debts. None of these
countries is today paying even the interest on its
remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it
was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward
was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of
Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United
States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
American communities were flattened by Tornadoes.
Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
newspapers in those countries are writing about the
decadent, war- mongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is
gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar
build its own airplane. Does any other country in the
world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet,
the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why
don't they fly them? Why do all the International
lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about
American technocracy, and you find men on the moon -
not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
right in the store window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them,
unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting
American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were
breaking down through age, it was the Americans who
rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the
New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old
caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to
the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me
even one time when someone else raced to the Americans
in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even
during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
to thumb their nose at The lands that are gloating
over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one
of those."

Stand proud, America!"


Did America ever asked for help ?


( serious question, i realy don`t know )
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Old 10-18-2001, 04:27 PM   #28
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I'm not going to talk about my point of view here b/c everyone who read previous threads on this subject are familiar with it.
I'll just say that I agree with Melon. I don't agree with Holy Joe, but just b/c he is so aggresive, nothing else. BLOCK you have samo good points, you said it a little bit rough so people can have fun with taking evry word of yours and criticise it, I generaly feel the same way as you.
Let me just say this: I know a lot of american people and I like them all, but for all the things that happened in the past i'm not short of hating the US government.
so US government - almost HATE
US people - generaly LOVE, same as any other people from any other state, besides Serbia - they are my natural nemesis!

Now for some qoute:

[quote]Originally posted by StarsnStripes:
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Originally posted by BLOCK:


5. GUESS WHAT! life goes on, I know people dying is a bad thing. But let it go. Thousands of people die around the world each day, but that wouldn't be any of AMERICAS concern now would it?


Let's see, which country gives more in aid than all others combined? Which country also sends more volunteers to grief stricken countries? You guessed it.




I quoted something like this in another thread and this is just wrong - maybe US is giving the most in absolute amount of help - BUT when you look at help in percentage of countries GDP than it's something totaly different. Of all the western states Danemark gives 1% of their GDP, than comes other nations as Norway, France, Sweden, Australia, Germany (not paricukary in that order), and US is on the bottom of that list with 0,1% of their GDP. Don't get me wrong, you give a lot, but by saying that you give the most, especialy by the heas of the citisen, is an insult to all those nations, and all those people that give more thatn you.

Another thing: why couldn't a country be neutral? My country is not neutral, we are against terorism. But what about switzerland? will you stop all your connections with them for being neutral? And what does neutral means? Is being neutral not acting and helping, or is it saying that you are neutral?

Rono: ask australians did they ever help you in your troubles and wars?
Quizi: The article that you posted by that tv comentator is a little bit ridiculous, and totaly ignorant. By reading it i almost saw you all as angels but, luckily, I snaped out of it. Get a grip on why was america doing that, and why all the poor nations have to pay their debt+interest...
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Just to clarify for those of you who STILL think I'm an American hating terrorist. I'M NOT!

I think America is great! I don't 'LOVE' America but I don't 'HATE' America either. I guess that would make me neutral..quite a concept eh?

PEACE

again sorry to anyone who i offended with my rant
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O YA..

I think i can be on NO SIDE for WAR..i never am on the side of killing
Hello BLOCK,
could you please answer this one question I have?
http://forum.u2wdd.org/u2feedback/Fo...ML/000729.html

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