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Old 08-13-2007, 12:42 AM   #76
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2861U2 - i'm curious, which of the democratic candidates do you consider to be moderate if you say clinton is left?
Excellent question!
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Old 08-13-2007, 01:06 AM   #77
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Yes. You've brought up this verse before. However, I think you have to look deeper into what he said. Jesus was responding to a rich man who asked how he could come to know God. Jesus' response hinted that worldly possessions get in the way of spiritual growth and a relationship with God. I dont think this verse is a command for everyone to go sell everything they have.

Having possessions and acquiring wealth is not a sin. It's your attitude about it which can be dangerous. Things like money can be a god to many people. I dont know of many Bible verses that condemn people for having money- it's all about the attitude towards it. Does our heart and loyalty lie with God or with the world? The goal is to not let your money influence your life.

The rich man walked away angry and unwilling, leading Jesus to say "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." I dont think it is the worldly possessions themselves that we need to get rid of, but our attachment to them.

Keep in mind that just because someone is rich doesnt mean they serve money.

ETA: so you using this Bible verse in the debate was odd, as it really didnt apply to the topic at all.
Why is my using a Bible verse odd? Please explain.

My whole point is you are very selective in how you use the Bible to regulate your government. You use it when it suits you, then you ignore it when it doesn't. Which is actually pretty typical of the religious right.
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To be fair, any religion that was taken by its adherents to require that they live in poverty wouldn't last long.

But I think BVS was referring to a religious imperative to care for the poor by making justice for them a priority, not simply by donating to charity when the whim hits.
I think BVS's point was that 2816 often bases his views about government entirely on the Bible, but seems to ignore this one.

Melon's correct entirely. Religion in government has never done anything but discriminate.
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I'm just curious, as I study Economics, how should a state that collects less and less taxes work?

Of course it always can spend its money more effectively and efficiently, but come on, at some point you just aren't able to cover your costs anymore.
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I'm just curious, as I study Economics, how should a state that collects less and less taxes work?
Deficit spending!
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omg what bible are you reading?
Alright then, care to elaborate? Show me some Bible verses that say that having money is a sin.
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2861U2 - i'm curious, which of the democratic candidates do you consider to be moderate if you say clinton is left?
The only one I'm halfway fond of is Senator Biden. He seems to be the only one who doesnt think we should pull our troops out immediately, plus he's the only one who didnt attend the YearlyKos hatefest. I dont see how any of the other 7 can expect to be called a moderate if they associate themselves with such a hateful place. They all, especially Edwards, pander to the far-left, because the far-left will choose the candidate. They, and places like MoveOn, instruct the candidates what to do, and if they dont do it, they will attack them on the internet. Most of the Democratic candidates are scared of the far-left, so they pander to them so as not to get hurt.

So to answer your question- anyone who doesnt associate themselves with the Kos.
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The only one I'm halfway fond of is Senator Biden. He seems to be the only one who doesnt think we should pull our troops out immediately, plus he's the only one who didnt attend the YearlyKos hatefest. I dont see how any of the other 7 can expect to be called a moderate if they associate themselves with such a hateful place. They all, especially Edwards, pander to the far-left, because the far-left will choose the candidate. They, and places like MoveOn, instruct the candidates what to do, and if they dont do it, they will attack them on the internet. Most of the Democratic candidates are scared of the far-left, so they pander to them so as not to get hurt.

So to answer your question- anyone who doesnt associate themselves with the Kos.
What world do you live in? This post is not only incorrect but just downright laughable.
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So to answer your question- anyone who doesnt associate themselves with the Kos.

YearlyKos is sponsored by the ONE campaign which is co-founded by Bono. Yeah...REAL hateful place there. Keyword: non-partisan. I don't know how you equate that with far-left.
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YearlyKos is sponsored by the ONE campaign which is co-founded by Bono. Yeah...REAL hateful place there. Keyword: non-partisan. I don't know how you equate that with far-left.
Changing the status quo and taking the power away from white conservative males is a hateful value, didn't you know?
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The DailyKos is a hateful website that not only personally attacks but humiliates anyone who disagrees with them. Have you seen the stuff on there? The Democratic candidates supporting it and legitimizing it by appearing at their convention is shameful. Just because they are associated with the ONE Campaign doesnt make it ok.

It is obvious that the candidates are intimidated by the left-wing blogosphere. They are more and more rejecting the moderate wing and embracing the far-left. You wont see them attempting to be moderate until the general campaign. Right now it's all about getting the far-left support.

Why would they go to Kos and not to Fox News?
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2861, I challenge you to back this up.

First give one example of how YearlyKos is hateful.

Second, define the "far-left" and give one example of how these canidates are pandering to them. Just one, hell I'll give you all day to come up with something too. For you'll need it.
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Second, define the "far-left" and give one example of how these canidates are pandering to them.
I was wondering this too. Where is he getting this "far-left" beeswax?
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Just because they are associated with the ONE Campaign doesnt make it ok.
I pointed out the ONE campaign because like Kos, ONE is non-partisan. ONE doesn't endorse any candidate, nor do they contribute to any party. They are specifically issue oriented, so are many of the other sponsors. Because ONE sponsors them, that clearly means they are giving them money because they support this non-partisan group.

It just so happens that there are people who are democrats who support the issues Kos. This by no means makes it far-left. I'm sure there are other progressive issues in which people who support Kos do not support.

It is a political spectrum. I feel like you see your conservative right side, and the "diversity" in opinion there, but I'm getting the feeling you might be seeing the other side as all one point of view, simply by narrowing your perspective to this issue. It is a spectrum, and there are various degrees on both sides.
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I have never heard of Yearly Kos but if Bill O'Reilly is condemning it, it must be awesome!!!!!!!
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