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Old 08-13-2007, 07:48 PM   #151
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For that matter, we do deny a lot of people a lot of rights for a variety of reasons. Citizens enjoy certain rights over non-citizens. Felons are denied a variety of rights, as are children.

There are more examples, but the basic human rights, I think are generally protected well in this country.
Are you really comparing law abiding consenting adults to children and felons?

Wow...
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I'm not really thinking of 'wives'. More like, two, three, brothers or something along those lines.
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Old 08-13-2007, 07:50 PM   #153
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I'm not really thinking of 'wives'. More like, two, three, brothers or something along those lines.
You want to marry your brothers?

You lost me there.
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Old 08-13-2007, 07:51 PM   #154
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Yeah. It's a bit of a farce that some teenagers are not allowed to marry right? Even though, one can get married in Mississippi at 15, one must wait till 19 in Nebraska.

Wouldn't you say that is a fair comparison for debate's sake?
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Marry, as in a civil/union or partnership. That they have the same rights (tax deductions, beneficiaries, etc...) as a married couple. Say they farm and live together, a real partnership in life. Why would we deny these guys the same rights as a gay couple or hetero couple. I say ignore the sex part.
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I'm not really thinking of 'wives'. More like, two, three, brothers or something along those lines.
This is really all you people have , isn't it?
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Who are/is 'you people'?
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Yeah. It's a bit of a farce that some teenagers are not allowed to marry right? Even though, one can get married in Mississippi at 15, one must wait till 19 in Nebraska.

Wouldn't you say that is a fair comparison for debate's sake?

No, because all 15 year olds regardless of sex and race have all the same rights in that state. If the teenagers from Mississippi wanted to get married they could move, as long as they were straight.
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Who are/is 'you people'?
Those of you terrified by the thought that two men who love each other might get married.
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Right, isn't the situation similar for gay marriage now? One must move right?

And the question at hand is "denying rights is hate". I posed examples of how we deny some folks under 19 the right to marry, in some states. You claim, this is not a fair comparison. I say it is.
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Marry, as in a civil/union or partnership. That they have the same rights (tax deductions, beneficiaries, etc...) as a married couple. Say they farm and live together, a real partnership in life. Why would we deny these guys the same rights as a gay couple or hetero couple. I say ignore the sex part.
Not sure where you are going with this, my brother is my beneficiary and we're not married.

The point is when you exclude based strictly on the fact that they are different from your status quo it's a hateful act.
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Those of you terrified by the thought that two men who love each other might get married.
Thanks for assuming that about me. "You people".
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Right, isn't the situation similar for gay marriage now? One must move right?

And the question at hand is "denying rights is hate". I posed examples of how we deny some folks under 19 the right to marry, in some states. You claim, this is not a fair comparison. I say it is.
Why are you denying rights to a 10 year old?

Why are you denying rights to a homosexual?

Those answers will show you the comparison doesn't work.
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And the question at hand is "denying rights is hate". I posed examples of how we deny some folks under 19 the right to marry, in some states. You claim, this is not a fair comparison. I say it is.



All you guys ever have is:

1. Jesus doesn't like it.
2. Animal sex!
3. Incest!!!!!11!
4. Children will marry!!!!

I'm not talking about denying rights to children, aniamls, brothers, whatever the hell they talk about in your church. I'm talking about two consenting adults. If you're worried about Incest!!! then disallow it.

When blacks, Chinese, etc were denied the right to marry, yes it was hate.

Jesus. Does no one read the fucking countless threads on this anymore? Or do they forget what they posted?
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Thanks for assuming that about me. "You people".
You made some crazy assumptions about brothers under the guise of gay marriage.

And was I wrong?
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