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Old 05-10-2006, 10:18 PM   #16
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dont post the confused smilie. you know full well how the legal system works. a few idiot members of the public get a few flimsy suits through and suddenly YOUR ilk have opened the floodgates. members of the public can only do so much to sue as it takes willing lawyers, solicitors and magistrates willing to argue and hear these cases.
Shit - the public are now victims.
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Jesus. Reading that made me very depressed for our country's future. I fell and hurt myself plenty when I was in elementary school. Countless sprained ankles, wrists, fingers, bruises, cuts, etc. None of it scarred me for life or stunted my emotional development. If anything it taught me that sometimes you do get hurt, but you live and learn and keep trying anyway. These people are being taught to never try because it isn't worth the minute possibility of getting injured.

I suppose the next step is to ban all sports because someone might get hurt, not to mention that someone's feelings may get hurt if they lose.

Follow along this line and our next generation will be a bunch of do-nothing wimps with an irrational fear of feeling anything besides the haze of mediocrity.
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Old 05-10-2006, 10:31 PM   #18
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So what then makes that different from the US? Are our courts and lawyers that much more ethical or is it just that the country as a whole is less likely to prosecute for every last penny?
Or is it public health care so you don't have to withdraw your retirement fund AND cash in your life insurance policy just because your 10 year old boy fell and broke his arm and surprise surprise your gazillion dollar health insurance policy doesn't actually cover the injury? (True story)

When I was in grade school, we played soccer in the asphalt parking lot, we played Red Rover until people's elbows were getting dislocated, we played Blob, we jumped off of our swings, we jumped from different sets of monkey bars, we had this thing we'd climb made of huge rubber tires and we figured out how to somersault down it.....heck my 8th grade teacher was the craziest of us all and he was always on recess duty! We convinced him to show us a dismount off the monkey bars while he had a broken leg. We had this huge wooden thing that on one part had a platform that you jump off of, grab a robe, and then slide along this pulley system. I've been knocked out twice in my life - once falling off uneven bars onto the back of my head, and the other waiting on the platform for the person ahead of me to throw the pulley rope back, not paying attention, and having the iron pulley knock me in the face. I don't remember the rest of that day!

No running? Why would kids even go outside anymore?
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I'd like to know the billing for a standard (not fiberglass even) cast because it's unfathomable to me somebody would go bankrupt over it. What the hell are they charging you over there? Here even if you want to "upgrade" to a fiberglass, it isn't covered by the health insurance and even so only costs like $30 so I'm not sure how setting a bone would add up to what, tens of thousands of dollars?

But in any case, if somebody breaks an arm on monkey bars and then goes and sues for $7 million, they are not looking to be compensated for their health care related expenses...
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I'd like to know the billing for a standard (not fiberglass even) cast because it's unfathomable to me somebody would go bankrupt over it. What the hell are they charging you over there? Here even if you want to "upgrade" to a fiberglass, it isn't covered by the health insurance and even so only costs like $30 so I'm not sure how setting a bone would add up to what, tens of thousands of dollars?
A visit to the ER that ended up with a brief visit by a doctor and an antibiotics prescription cost my insurance $550.00 back in 2002.

So perhaps you can see why it's so expensive when the bare minimum is even exorbitantly priced.

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But AH, doesn't that suggest societal change then?

Because take a country like Canada, which also operates on the common law system, and you don't have such a litigious response nor do you have the huge payoffs in the courts.

So what then makes that different from the US? Are our courts and lawyers that much more ethical or is it just that the country as a whole is less likely to prosecute for every last penny?
I cant honestly answer if our societys are that much different. I'd think not so drastically that you could see a vast difference? I think Australia for sure has enough stupid people who would sue on whim (like in the US) if the courts allowed them to go through with it. Our own system is clogged with it's fair share of ridiculous and petty suits, but we dont get these exceptional examples (yet) like the US. I see it more to be the laywers who feel such flimsy cases are strong enough, and an equally willing magistrate who lets it go through to trial. The US has a much more focused userpays system which of course extends to the legal field, and I suppose if someone can pay up for something then there is a mentality that you will go after liability as much as possible. The courts putting the brakes on precedents of such bogusness stems the flow. By not doing so, you are waving a flag saying "every fool can have their day in court" and then of course every fool WILL want that.
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I'd like to know the billing for a standard (not fiberglass even) cast because it's unfathomable to me somebody would go bankrupt over it. What the hell are they charging you over there? Here even if you want to "upgrade" to a fiberglass, it isn't covered by the health insurance and even so only costs like $30 so I'm not sure how setting a bone would add up to what, tens of thousands of dollars?

But in any case, if somebody breaks an arm on monkey bars and then goes and sues for $7 million, they are not looking to be compensated for their health care related expenses...
No, no they're not. I can't understand it at all. Kids are kids. Playing on a playground does not equal negligence.

I don't remember what Drew's broken arm cost. The initial emergency room visit, X-rays, surgery to repair the two fractures, pain meds, casts, and follow-ups...I don't even want to guess. All I know is that the insurance company did NOT cover what a normal person would assume they cover and it took several years, the life insurance, and my mom's savings to pay off and the rest of us went 5 years without seeing a dentist because fixing the arm was the priority.
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The fact he had surgery is what drove the costs up then. Sad, really.
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The fact he had surgery is what drove the costs up then. Sad, really.
Yeah, it's really fucked up.

I've had a problem with my right foot for over a month now and I'm going to the Dr. tomorrow. I have this sinking feeling in my stomach that I'll have to be refered to a specialist, who will want X-rays, and then surgery, and then physical therapy....maybe I can just sue my college because the buildings are too far apart and I've been walking on a busted foot?
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I'd like to know the billing for a standard (not fiberglass even) cast because it's unfathomable to me somebody would go bankrupt over it. What the hell are they charging you over there? Here even if you want to "upgrade" to a fiberglass, it isn't covered by the health insurance and even so only costs like $30 so I'm not sure how setting a bone would add up to what, tens of thousands of dollars?

But in any case, if somebody breaks an arm on monkey bars and then goes and sues for $7 million, they are not looking to be compensated for their health care related expenses...

When my son was 12 or 13, he fell off his skateboard and broke his arm in two places. Luckily we have insurance that paid almost 100% but if we didn't, we would have been in serious financial trouble.

Treatment by paramedics, an ambulance ride, 8 hours in the ER, pain meds, an orthopedic consultation, surgery, an overnight stay, 2 cast changes, several follow ups with the orthopedic surgeon, pin removal and 6 weeks of physical therapy...I shudder to think what the actual cost ended up being. I can honestly see how a family with no or lesser insurance could be bankrupted if they fall behind after something like this.
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I can honestly see how a family with no or lesser insurance could be bankrupted if they fall behind after something like this.
Yeah, I can understand if you have a complicated break like that which requires surgery and so on. When I read LivLuv's post, it sounded like it was a clean break, which really doesn't warrant extensive medical care and shouldn't be THAT expensive.
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no running on playgrounds?!

what's next, no playgrounds at all? 2 hand tag for midget and highschool football games cause someone might get hurt if they tackle?

jesus christ, what's this country gonna be like 10 years from now?

these parents that will bitch about anything and everything they can are gonna fuck this country down the road.
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Old 05-11-2006, 11:11 AM   #29
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these parents that will bitch about anything and everything they can are gonna fuck this country down the road.
Bingo. And if little Joey breaks his arm doing something stupid on the playground, there's a real chance his parents will blame the school for not stopping him. Hell, even here in FYM, it's the school's fault when someone starts shooting. "The school should provide anti-bullying classes."
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yeah, like anti-bullying classes would accually stop bullying!

what a joke.
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