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Old 09-27-2006, 11:36 AM   #31
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But if they go to a school that is predominantly latin and they only learn spanish how will that help them in a world where English is the primary language? Unless were expecting Mexico to reclaim. AZ, NM, CO,CA, OR, Wy?

and no offense to anyone from Mexico.
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Old 09-27-2006, 11:40 AM   #32
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Well yes we are a "melting pot" and I don't mind hearing people speak other languages, but when it comes to business and you have someone who can't help you because they can't speak the language isn't that a problem?
Well now you've reversed the situation. This wasn't what you were speaking about earlier. Yes if you are in anytype of customer service in a primary English speaking area you should be able to speak English. I've never been anywhere in the US where the person I was dealing with on the other side of the counter didn't speak English. To me speaking English is advantage to anyone in this country and anyone should try and learn, not doing so is a disadvantage but it shouldn't be forced.

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But how is asking them to learn the primary language racist. We not saying you can't continue to speak spanish, chinese, Korean, Italian etc..
You aren't asking you are forcing, there's a difference. Look at my post above.
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But if they go to a school that is predominantly latin and they only learn spanish how will that help them in a world where English is the primary language? Unless were expecting Mexico to reclaim. AZ, NM, CO,CA, OR, Wy?

and no offense to anyone from Mexico.
no ofense, but that is quite an idiotic statement "Unless were expecting Mexico to reclaim. AZ, NM, CO,CA, OR, Wy?" no offense;

You have to remember people who cross a desert risking everything for a better life are desperate, being paid miserably what are you going to do? pay for food and rent or english classes?
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But if they go to a school that is predominantly latin and they only learn spanish how will that help them in a world where English is the primary language? Unless were expecting Mexico to reclaim. AZ, NM, CO,CA, OR, Wy?

and no offense to anyone from Mexico.
Why do you feel like they need help? I don't think you mean this intentionally, but your posts seem to have the attitude that Hispanics are somehow less than the rest of us and can't decide for themselves what language to speak. If they can get by without English, fine! Why would you force someone to go back to school and learn a new language?

I'm sure there are many difficulties for those who only know Spanish, but I certainly don't hear them complaining and commend those families and communities for being able to save such an important part of their heritage and culture. I guess a part of me has always had so much respect for their ability to maintain that level of fluency when so many people are saying "why can't you just learn English already?". Even the little kids still speak Spanish as their first language, though they were born in the US. It's fascinating to me, since I also come from a completely homogenous community (not Hispanic) and my generation is unfortunately the first that has lost our language completely, a dialect which is no longer spoken in the areas our families originated from. It's kind of sad to realize that a large part of what makes you and your families unique is probably gone forever.
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I dont think anyone is less. I did not mean to offened anyone I am just giving examples. I am not asking anyone to lose their identity, there culture. All I ask is that now that you are living in this country for many many years and your doing well now you could take night school to learn the language. And as I stated earlier in the Show 30 days on illegal immigration the daughter was the only one who spoke english, even though her parents had lived in the US for over 12 years.
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I dont think anyone is less. I did not mean to offened anyone I am just giving examples. I am not asking anyone to lose their identity, there culture. All I ask is that now that you are living in this country for many many years and your doing well now you could take night school to learn the language. And as I stated earlier in the Show 30 days on illegal immigration the daughter was the only one who spoke english, even though her parents had lived in the US for over 12 years.
OK, but you're still never answering this question - WHY do you feel others should be required to learn another language?

Just think of the basic precedent here, try to ignore the factors like America, Hispanics, Spanish - think in the broadest of terms of any group, anywhere and answer me, why is it so important to you that people be required to assimilate linguistically?
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Should we have to spend our tax money for signs in different languages to accomidate when in many latin american countries and other countries they dont?
We should do the opposite - expect immigrants to be able to speak a fair amount of English, but continue to provide special assistance in schools and other outlets for those who have struggled with it.

I admire anyone who can wait in line for as long as the system requires, to go through exhaustive testing, both physically and mentally, and learn another language. As long as they have a clean criminal history and no contagious diseases, I welcome them aboard.

In contrast, I think it's wrong to cut in line and cross the border without a passport, and impose Babelism (hence, multi-lingualism) on a society that has established a national language. If we were to accept Babelism, it would greatly slow the education process, requiring that we learn to speak many languages fluently, resulting in a stunt of human progress in technology and production.
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I may not see signs, but I hear we have enough spicks in this country or they are trying to take over ALL THE TIME.

I'm just saying don't you find it just a little bit interesting that so many other countries function under different languages, yet our country, the country that is supposibly the melting pot makes it a political point? You don't see a hint of hypocricy or racism?
Hypocrisy and racism?

Either you're confusing cultural integration with racism, or you're playing the race card under an abstract hallucination - "McCarthyism" at its finest.
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OK, but you're still never answering this question - WHY do you feel others should be required to learn another language?

Just think of the basic precedent here, try to ignore the factors like America, Hispanics, Spanish - think in the broadest of terms of any group, anywhere and answer me, why is it so important to you that people be required to assimilate linguistically?
It's important for them to assimilate Linguistically to make it easier on people who don't speak the language and it does not matter if your hispanic, Asian, etc.. I am not saying they fully have to americanize themself. I am happy to see them keep their culture.

As for your first question. Fine they don't learn to speak english, then the US become a hispanic Majority so wouldn't that mean people would be required to learn hispanic, same goes if it became an asian majority etc...
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It's important for them to assimilate Linguistically to make it easier on people who don't speak the language and it does not matter if your hispanic, Asian, etc.. I am not saying they fully have to americanize themself. I am happy to see them keep their culture.

You still haven't answered the question of WHY.

YOU may think it's important, but I certainly don't. So WHY do you think it's important? Do you not realize that language is probably the biggest part of ANY culture? In fact, language itself can often shape culture (not always the other way around). It's not something to consider lightly.
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I have answered Why it's important. And I have stated twice that they do not have to lose there language. They can be multi linguale in both Chinese and english, spanish and english. But if they come here and only speak spanish and thats it how will that help them in the long run. It's important to know a second language dont you think?
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Don't you think it's a disservice to a non-english speak to be working the shitty jobs and only speaking one language here in the US? If a person comes up to him is he supposed to have a translator by him at all times? Whats wrong with learning a new language while keeping your primary tounge??

English is my first language. I speak spanish, not as good. I used to be real good, but I have lost alot of it. So I have been speaking to my mom in spanish when I can to bring it back.
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You still haven't answered the question of WHY.

YOU may think it's important, but I certainly don't. So WHY do you think it's important? Do you not realize that language is probably the biggest part of ANY culture? In fact, language itself can often shape culture (not always the other way around). It's not something to consider lightly.
And how many languages are you willing to learn in order to conversate in your own country?
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And how many languages are you willing to learn in order to conversate in your own country?
Apples and oranges.

I'm from an upper-middle class family and I've always known English, so I can't in any way relate to the situation of most Hispanics. Fortunately for me, studying another language is a luxury, not a burden. There's a difference between opportunities and requirements.
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I encourage you to learn other languages. I took german but failed at. that.
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