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Old 09-26-2006, 07:21 PM   #16
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Everything goes both ways. I dont want to start an argumentative debate just our views on this subject matter.
Yes but you bring up that one "white devil" story quite a bit and you seem to ignore the other side.

As what's been pointed out to you we're not even close to being the only country. Doesn't that strike you as a bit odd?
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Old 09-26-2006, 07:24 PM   #17
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I know that there are some bad minutemen I am sure things have been said by them to make people think of them as a hate group. I don't see them with signs saying "Spick get out??" do you?

Your last sentence can you explain that a little better please. My Dyslex brain is fucking up again.
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Old 09-27-2006, 12:06 AM   #18
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I don't see them with signs saying "Spick get out??" do you?
I may not see signs, but I hear we have enough spicks in this country or they are trying to take over ALL THE TIME.

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Your last sentence can you explain that a little better please. My Dyslex brain is fucking up again.
I'm just saying don't you find it just a little bit interesting that so many other countries function under different languages, yet our country, the country that is supposibly the melting pot makes it a political point? You don't see a hint of hypocricy or racism?
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Old 09-27-2006, 01:22 AM   #19
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Well yes we are a "melting pot" and I don't mind hearing people speak other languages, but when it comes to business and you have someone who can't help you because they can't speak the language isn't that a problem?

But how is asking them to learn the primary language racist. We not saying you can't continue to speak spanish, chinese, Korean, Italian etc..
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It might be easier for the US to accept it is growing to such an hispanic component that US borns should learn 'their' language. Really, if there are so many hispanic folk moving into the US, then adopt as much of their life as you demand they do of yours. It's how the native folk all felt when settlers took over, you know.
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Old 09-27-2006, 08:16 AM   #21
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It might be easier for the US to accept it is growing to such an hispanic component that US borns should learn 'their' language. Really, if there are so many hispanic folk moving into the US, then adopt as much of their life as you demand they do of yours.
Wow, that is quite a statement. Literally millions of these folks are here *illegally*. Many Americans think we have already done plenty to accomodate them.
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English is already the language of the world. What more do you want? It's everywhere. I've traveled all over the world. . .Asia, Europe, and yes, even Mexico, and I've never been anywhere yet where many if not most signs had English lettering as well the official language of that country.

In every country I've visited I can almost always find someone who speaks English. In general, I find most non-English speaking people eager to learn English.

On the other hand many Americans are embarrassingly ignorant about the rest of the world and very few seem interested in learning another language besides English. Even when traveling in other countries I've encountered American tourists who can't be bothered to learn even the most basic phrases in other languages and some even have the gall to complain about how people IN their OWN countries don't speak English.

And I'd wager that most Americans who complain about how immigrants don't hurry up and learn English have no idea how difficult learning a new language might be, not having ever bothered to do so themselves. In fact I think you'd be hard pressed to find an American who speaks a language other than English who is all worked up over the issue of immigrants learning English.
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English is already the language of the world. What more do you want? It's everywhere. I've traveled all over the world. . .Asia, Europe, and yes, even Mexico, and I've never been anywhere yet where many if not most signs had English lettering as well the official language of that country.

In every country I've visited I can almost always find someone who speaks English. In general, I find most non-English speaking people eager to learn English.

On the other hand many Americans are embarrassingly ignorant about the rest of the world and very few seem interested in learning another language besides English. Even when traveling in other countries I've encountered American tourists who can't be bothered to learn even the most basic phrases in other languages and some even have the gall to complain about how people IN their OWN countries don't speak English.

And I'd wager that most Americans who complain about how immigrants don't hurry up and learn English have no idea how difficult learning a new language might be, not having ever bothered to do so themselves. In fact I think you'd be hard pressed to find an American who speaks a language other than English who is all worked up over the issue of immigrants learning English.


besides, Legal or illegal, human movilizations from any cultural group are inevitable, and it has consequences in the evolution of lenguage...
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.And I'd wager that most Americans who complain about how immigrants don't hurry up and learn English have no idea how difficult learning a new language might be, not having ever bothered to do so themselves. In fact I think you'd be hard pressed to find an American who speaks a language other than English who is all worked up over the issue of immigrants learning English.
I agree with you, some people tend to forget that illegal immigrants are usually the poorest people of their countries, so they don't have the economic or cultural means to know how to apply legal citizenship much less the means to learn a new language
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I agree with you, some people tend to forget that illegal immigrants are usually the poorest people of their countries, so they don't have the economic or cultural means to know how to apply legal citizenship much less the means to learn a new language
How about Effort. I dont think it's about class. We have friend who immigrated to this country and they were very poor and they strived to learn the language and now two of there children graduated from UC Berkley and there mother is a successful business woman. I think it's more of effort than class.
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Good for them, but that's one example in thousands, I just renewed my american visa last month, now I had no problems because I travel constantly and it's my 3rd visa but do you have any idea how many people the US rejects? it's not easy to apply for a tourist visa, much less a working visa.

Add to that the fact that to get a meeting to apply for your visa costs a little over 100 bucks with no guarantees, and we are talking about desperate men and women usually with kids, no job, no real education, believe me people with college degrees don't go illegally to the US.

I forgot to add should this be your problem, definetly not, the mexican goverment should do more it's fool of corruption that over the past 10 years it's been decreasing thanks to the media, If building the wall will make you feel safer good for you I'm actually not against it, I think it's stupid and it won't acomplish a lot besides alienating yourselves more from the world
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Mofo I have a question for you. In mexico isn't Primary education free? And a friend of mine who lived in Mexico said the Mexico's largest Univesity is Free also or am I mistaken. If that is true then why don't the poor families send there children there to receive and education?
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yes but poor people tend to work rather than go to college, and poor parents tend to send their kids to work in places like supermarkets, the streets, wherever they can to help with money which is definitley wrong not only do they expose their children to danger but they limit their education a lot.
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Thats True. But can you understand some US citizens who get frustrated when they see there government does nothing to secure the borders? Isn't that there job to protect it's citizens and to enforce the law which is not being applied because they want more votes??
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I haven't taken Spanish since third grade because I chose a different second language path, and I hardly know any, but I really have no problem with more signs and such being in Spanish. It's not like we're going to be replacing English signs with Spanish. It's no threat to the English language, which many have pointed out is automatically taught to most kids in other countries. In Tanzania, public secondary schooling is taught exclusively in English.

I'd much rather have my tax dollars go towards something with more inclusive goals rather than exclusive goals. Signs and such in multiple languages not only accomodates those who ARE US citizens who do not speak English as a first language, but subconsciously encourages others to be more accomodating.

I've never understood the "why can't they just learn English?" arguement. Who cares? If Hispanics can get by without it, fine. Many Hispanics live in communities where all of their friends, relatives, and employers speak Spanish, so why WOULD they waste time and money for schooling to learn English? And why would I care to force them? If anything, I think white middle class America should be learning more Spanish. In fact, Spanish is now mandatory in the school system I grew up in. I regret that they didn't start this program until after I graduated. I don't regret choosing Germanic languages over Spanish, but it would've been nice to have a passable understanding of Spanish. Now all the kids are spending as much time learning Spanish as they are doing math, history, and English lit, and I've never heard any child or parents complain about it.
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