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Old 05-25-2005, 09:32 AM   #136
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As you know, a variety of studies produce a variety of results. However, I have never seen a study that resulted in the idea that marijuana- high drivers perform better than non-high drivers.
You're right--everyone can always find a study that supports their views and it's difficult to find non-biased ones. There was one large study from South Australia that said that marijuana drivers caused fewer accidents than non-drug users because they are aware that they are impaired and overcompensate by driving slowly and not taking risks. Marijuana mellows people and they don't want any trouble so they stay in the slow lane, put it on cruise control, and increase their concentation. There are tons of articles quoting from that study but unfortunately I cannot find a link to the actual study. However, these findings are relatively insignificant compared with the huge amount of evidence that alcohol is the most dangerous substance related to fatal accidents yet marijuana remains illegal while alcohol isn't.
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Marijuana is not illegal due to "custom". While marijuana may nto have the same effects on your own body as cigarettes do, no one's gonna get high after smoking a few regular cigarettes then try to drive a car and wind up kilingl someone.


Melon and JoyfulGirl have said pretty much what i would have, only things i'll add is that there's a racist element in the criminilization of marijuana -- it was seen as a substance for Mexicans in the early part of the 20th century. secondly, part of the fear of the hippies was the conspiracy theory that they were going to get us all stoned and turn us into communists.

if you look at the actual physical effects of marijuana -- though i will say that marijuana is now stronger, and can be linked to depression and memory loss -- they are significantly less than the damage alcohol does to the body, and no one gets physically addicted to pot the way they do to cigarettes (and i've lived with chain smokers ... those poor, poor people).

now that we've covered all the fun stuff -- pot and booze -- back to porn!!!
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Are there not plenty of things that individuals may judge as appropriate where society still says "no"?

It's always easy to advocate regulation when you think it doesn't apply to you.
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It's always easy to advocate regulation when you think it doesn't apply to you.

well said.

the above is essentially the beating heart of the current Right Wing social control movement.
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And it always comes back to bite them in the ass.
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If porn were more regulated it would become a national obsession.
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If porn were more regulated it would become a national obsession.
As if it's not already?
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Old 05-25-2005, 05:23 PM   #143
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As if it's not already?
No, I don't consider it a national obsession except for the uptight extreme right wingers who are obsessed with wanting to control it more. Make it harder for people to get it and they'll want it more. It's psychology 101.
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Wow, I didn't expect this thread to turn out so long. Thank you to all contributors.

Personally I think that more stringent regulations should be brought in. This would have to be done with broad international agreement. I would have reservations about girls/women from poor countries or countries with high unemployment being tempted/co-erced into the sex trade.

In this regard I recently saw a documentary about the Parisian brothels. It appears that in recent years a lot of the prostitutes there are from Eastern European countries. Some cannot get jobs in their own countries and end up working as prostitutes. It is not difficult to imagine scenarios regarding these women being co-erced/persuaded into porn.
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Old 05-25-2005, 08:31 PM   #145
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This is not a blame game. The question is about regulation. We tend to regulate things in a way that tend to improve health, safety and welfare of the populous. Note that little in this thread has actually specified the type of regulation that should be implimented, if any.
That is a very good point. We regulate many things - such as drugs, alcohol, maximum speeds on the highway, etc - to a greater or lesser extent, in the interests of the common good, or the welfare and safety of the populous.

I would not be in favour of a libertarian free-for-all, yet in the area of pornography that is what we have, in many countries. The question of what type of regulations (if any) are required, and their implementation, is the crux of the issue, as you have stated.
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Make it harder for people to get it and they'll want it more. It's psychology 101.
. Exactly. I am dying to know when this concept's going to catch on with more people, 'cause it always amazes me when I find there's still those out there who don't seem to realize that simple fact.

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It's always easy to advocate regulation when you think it doesn't apply to you.
Cannot regulation be done for the general welfare? Or is it always about repressing some?
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. Exactly. I am dying to know when this concept's going to catch on with more people, 'cause it always amazes me when I find there's still those out there who don't seem to realize that simple fact.

Angela
So, we should probably make guns, drugs and all those other things we don't want people to use abundantly available?

I think we would be smart enough to regulate something and educate the public as to its dangers.
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So, we should probably make guns, drugs and all those other things we don't want people to use abundantly available?

I think we would be smart enough to regulate something and educate the public as to its dangers.
The drugs thing was brought up earlier-go back and read through that bit again, and I would say that some of the same things there would apply to guns, too. I'm no fan of drugs, but so long as a person using them isn't hurting anybody else and isn't forcing other people to take the stuff and things along that line, personally, I say that it's their body, and they can put in it whatever they wish, as I feel that the government is supposed to protect us from other people, not ourselves. And I'm no fan of guns, either, but I know that guns can be used responsibly by people, too.

As I have said numerous times before, so long as the people use what is available to them responsibly, or so long as the product available is one that will not:

-Cause any physical harm to other people
-Endanger other people's lives
-Or force others into doing something they don't wish to do

then it should remain legal.

Again, if there's valid dangers involved in porn between legal age consenting persons being readily available, then please show us them, and then everyone can discuss whether or not those reasons prove that that kind of porn should be regulated more closely or should be restricted. Until then, if no dangers are being presented and someone's still trying to get it restricted, it's just looking like a case of a person wanting something less available to people simply because they personally don't like it. And personal likes and dislikes aren't exactly valid enough reasons to allow or restrict something in this country.

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You will not fix the plight of poor immigrant girls by cracking down on the porn industry. You can only do that by improving employment opportunities and possibly education opportunities, ideally in their home countries so they don't have to get out to try and make it.

Sex is a commodity, it has been since the dawn of time, no matter how hard you try to regulate there will always be the demand. Allow it, encourage sex workers to organise and look out for their rights ~ sex workers unions etc. are an example. I think that it is a gross oversimplification to declare that women in the sex industry are all being exploited (many are to be sure). Raising awareness of their rights as individuals and having avenues to take when those rights are abused could be the best way to deal with the problems.
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