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Old 06-04-2007, 09:23 PM   #1
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Should New Zealand join Australia?

A few workmates have been discussing the once proposed 'Pacific Dollar' idea our moronic Prime Minister floated at a regional meeting recently. This bought up a better topic - that NZ maybe should join Australia - as external federated territories. Australia has two territiories - the ACT and NT- which have greater autonomy. Maybe this could work for NZ? I know every Kiwi on here will be aghast at the idea, but from an economic point of view it could work.

Apparently the Aussie constitution even mentions a combined country - but I cant be bothered looking that up.

So - any thoughts? Maybe a cxomparison would be Canada joining the USA?
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Old 06-04-2007, 10:03 PM   #2
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National unions are increasingly unnecessary in that the nation-state, itself, is already a dying relic of the Middle Ages. Australia and New Zealand could, more realistically, engage in a liberal free trade arrangement, allowing for free movement of labor and economic investment, not all that different from the European Union, while still preserving their current national and cultural autonomy.
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Would a citizen of a combined Australia/New Zealand be called an Aussiwi?
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Re: Should New Zealand join Australia?

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So - any thoughts? Maybe a cxomparison would be Canada joining the USA?
we already got NAFTA
North American Free Trade Agreement
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That's the sort of thing they're actually talking about. That and a common currency, like the Euro. It would take in Australia, NZ and a bunch of small Pacific Island nations that Australia and NZ completely bankroll anyway. Also some 'talk' of a merged defence force. I doubt too much if any of it will ever happen (beyond a NAFTA type agreement), but it's certainly got nothing to do with NZ and Australia joining as one nation.
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I'm pretty sure NZ still has a standing invitation from Australia which merely requires a "yes" vote in a referendum in NZ to make it a state. Of course the mere mention of a referendum (or even a merged currency - given NZ just introduced new coinage last year) would be political suicide.

There is more than talk of our defenses merging - as far as I know NZ has no air force and is taken care of by Australia.
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we already got NAFTA
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Which pretty much only benefits the US. Mulroney should be beaten for some of the provisions he agreed to. Like all the ones regarding oil.
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I'm pretty sure NZ still has a standing invitation from Australia which merely requires a "yes" vote in a referendum in NZ to make it a state. Of course the mere mention of a referendum (or even a merged currency - given NZ just introduced new coinage last year) would be political suicide.
This is correct. We can join Australia any time we like. There's just no real point because all the benefits we could get could be achieved through bilateral agreements and the like that do not compromise our sovereignty ... or the ability of the All Blacks to be a national team, and we all know that's what really matters.

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There is more than talk of our defenses merging - as far as I know NZ has no air force and is taken care of by Australia.
Not quite true: we have an air force, but it no longer has combat capabilities.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about a defence forces merger. Given Australia's relatively more aggressive stance, it would likely compromise our pacific culture and I'm against any move that would do that. A mutual assistance agreement for times of need (which we already have via ANZUS, if I'm not grossly mistaken) strikes me as perfectly satisfactory.

I would also be in favour of a monetary union. I mean, come on, before NZ's 2006 currency changes, you could use Aussie or Kiwi 5, 10, and 20 cent pieces in both countries. I think a currency union would make a lot of sense - plus it would make life a lot easier.
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There's just no real point because all the benefits we could get could be achieved through bilateral agreements and the like that do not compromise our sovereignty
Ah the ol' Kiwis on the dole thing (or Austudy )

There's no real need for a merger, anything from NZ that's vaguely good, we claim for our own anyway, like the Finn Brothers, or Russell Crowe, who we disown when he's crap....
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Ah the ol' Kiwis on the dole thing (or Austudy )
Why should the Australians get all their tax dollars when it can go to their betters from the right side of the Tasman?
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I suppose a merger would help economically for NZ and the 11 cents their dollar is weaker by, or whatever it is. Socially, it would be suicide for NZ. They're like The Netherlands or Canada - one of the last bastions of liberal freedom. We're so much like the US, and increasingly so as time moves on, it hurts. I'd hate to see anyone become like us... except the US, who (no offence) need all the help it can get in terms of living a definition of freedom.
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I suppose a merger would help economically for NZ and the 11 cents their dollar is weaker by, or whatever it is. Socially, it would be suicide for NZ. They're like The Netherlands or Canada - one of the last bastions of liberal freedom. We're so much like the US, and increasingly so as time moves on, it hurts. I'd hate to see anyone become like us... except the US, who (no offence) need all the help it can get in terms of living a definition of freedom.
Wow thats the coolest thing ever from an Aussie. Good on you.
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These union ideas mostly seem to come from Australians or Americans. Canucks and Kiwis are not too keen.
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I can assure you we are not keen at all!
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Wow thats the coolest thing ever from an Aussie. Good on you.
Dude, you guys should be a role model for others. There's things to criticise, and things not everyone will agree with, but overall NZ does a great job of it. A lot of us here like more than just the people there.

Thanks though
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