Shoud atheists celebrate Christmas? - Page 7 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 12-19-2004, 03:53 AM   #91
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
intedomine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 7,947
Local Time: 12:10 AM
This year I've taken the bold step in not celebrating Xmas at all.

For 3 years I have refused to say (christ)mas and i always refer to it as xmas.

Sure I will be buying gifts and catching up with distant friends and family, yet we are celebrating a break from the ordinary life of work and study and getting ready to welcome in a new year, rather than the birth of a dead man to a woman who could not have been a virgin.

A lot of acquaintances have been puzzled over my new approach to Xmas, which is low key and untraditional. But I have to do it and I have felt really proud about it.

I try and avoid those cringeworth carols such as 'away in a manger' and 'silent night.'

XMAS time has never felt so different, and so fresh, exiciting and worthwhile.

"Let's take the christ outta christmas
And celebrate the solstice
And let commercialisation reign
Cause its not gonna wane"
__________________

__________________
intedomine is offline  
Old 12-19-2004, 03:58 AM   #92
Jesus Online
 
Angela Harlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1969
Location: a glass castle
Posts: 30,163
Local Time: 01:10 AM
You know what Mr Garrison would be singing to YOU, now dont you?
__________________

__________________
<a href=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/angelaharlem/thPaul_Roos28.jpg target=_blank>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...aul_Roos28.jpg</a>
Angela Harlem is offline  
Old 12-19-2004, 04:02 AM   #93
Blue Crack Addict
 
beli's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: In a frock in Western Australia
Posts: 15,464
Local Time: 10:10 PM
My family get together, exchange presents, eat crayfish (brother in law catches them) and then we go for a swim.

Thats it really. Quite boring. Its only starting to get interesting again now cause theres children who are wishfully hopping Santa will bring them a robot unicorn

PS Any help on locating a robot unicorn is welcomed.
__________________
beli is offline  
Old 12-19-2004, 04:16 AM   #94
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Popmartijn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 32,543
Local Time: 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
I wikipedia-ed Christmas and this is what came out:
Ah, wikipedia, a great source of information. I hope you've read the whole article about Christmas, instead of just quoting the beginning. Because it has a lot of interesting information:

Quote:
Customs and celebrations

An enormous number of customs, with either secular, religious, or national aspects, surround Christmas, and vary from country to country. Most of the familiar traditional practices and symbols of Christmas, such as the Christmas tree, the Christmas ham, the Yule Log, holly, mistletoe, and the giving of presents, were adapted or appropriated by Christian missionaries from the earlier Asatru pagan midwinter holiday of Yule. This celebration of the winter solstice was widespread and popular in northern Europe long before the arrival of Christianity, and the word for Christmas in the Scandinavian languages is still today the pagan jul (=yule). The Christmas tree per se is believed to have first been used in Germany.

Rather than attempting to suppress such popular pagan feast days, Pope Gregory I allowed Christian missionaries to give them a Christian reinterpretation, while permitting most of the associated customs to continue with little or no modification.2 The give and take between religious and governmental authorities and celebrators of Christmas continued through the years. Places where conservative Christian theocracies flourished, as in Cromwellian England and in the early New England colonies, were among those where celebrations were suppressed.3 After the Russian Revolution, Christmas celebrations were banned in the Soviet Union for the next seventy five years. A few present day Christian churches, notably the Jehovah's Witnesses, some Puritan groups, and some ultra-conservative fundamentalist denominations, still view Christmas as a pagan holiday not sanctioned by the Bible, and do not celebrate it.
So, apparently, a true, non-hypocritical Christian is not allowed to have a Christmas tree, give presents, etc.
__________________
Popmartijn is online now  
Old 12-19-2004, 10:38 AM   #95
She's the One
 
martha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place
Posts: 42,334
Local Time: 06:10 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
one church out of millions...
Actually, the Church of Christ is a fairly large Protestant denomination here in the US, but don't let a fact ruin your carefully thought out theory.
__________________
martha is offline  
Old 12-19-2004, 08:53 PM   #96
The Fly
 
datatyme's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Michigan
Posts: 47
Local Time: 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by beli


There is no code of conduct for atheists. Atheist simply means 'no god". An atheist could believe in love, peace, etc. An atheist could also believe in eating small children for breakfast. There are no rules.

Please, I feel like Im repeating myself endlessly here.
I live in the USA, and there are many rules here, even rules against eating small children whether you're athiest or not.

I don't understand why Christians celebrate Christmas. It's all based on pagan traditions and other gods.

Once upon a time, there was a baby, thought to be the Son of God, born of a virgin woman, and magi brought Him gifts in a barn. He was considered “the way, the truth and the light”, even “savior” and “messiah”. His birthday, December 25th was also celebrated each year. And Sunday was considered His day, not Saturday (the Sabbath) as it was in Judaism. He performed miracles. He was celibate his whole life. He had 12 companions or disciples, and His followers also ate bread and drank wine symbolizing His blood and body. He died and was buried in a tomb, and was resurrected three days later. After His resurrection, He went to heaven and to be with His Heavenly Father, and it is said that He will come back again one day in a final judgment day, where all men are resurrected and God sends them to heaven or hell. Nobody believes in this God anymore, but He was once popular. His name is Mithra and he was born about 600 years before Jesus.

Whether you be atheist, pagan, Christian, Muslim, etc., I wish you all a very happy holiday!
__________________
datatyme is offline  
Old 12-19-2004, 11:18 PM   #97
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BrownEyedBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: San Pedro Sula, Honduras
Posts: 3,510
Local Time: 08:10 AM
I can't believe I'm the only one who sees a contradiction in: an atheist celebrating a Christian holiday.
__________________
BrownEyedBoy is offline  
Old 12-19-2004, 11:36 PM   #98
Blue Crack Addict
 
beli's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: In a frock in Western Australia
Posts: 15,464
Local Time: 10:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
I can't believe I'm the only one who sees a contradiction in: an atheist celebrating a Christian holiday.
Why do you choose to ignore the posts in this thread? I really dont understand your way of thinking / reading. Please elaborate.
__________________
beli is offline  
Old 12-19-2004, 11:49 PM   #99
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BrownEyedBoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: San Pedro Sula, Honduras
Posts: 3,510
Local Time: 08:10 AM
Why do you keep saying that? I've read all of them and all it says is: "Atheists are not aware that it's a Christian holiday, nor do some Chrisitans."

That doesn't make it any less a Christian holiday, though. It celebrates the birth of Christ, for the love of God! If not that then what does it celebrate? Did people just randomly come up with the name Christ-mas, and the whole December over nothing?

Really, I'm not trying to be rude or anything but it's just something I noticed and felt like talking about with open minded people who would probably just laugh it off and say "so?". Instead, all I see is denial ....or people pleading ignorance.
__________________
BrownEyedBoy is offline  
Old 12-19-2004, 11:55 PM   #100
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Calluna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Cloud Cookoo Land
Posts: 3,542
Local Time: 07:10 AM
__________________
Calluna is offline  
Old 12-20-2004, 12:06 AM   #101
Blue Crack Addict
 
beli's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: In a frock in Western Australia
Posts: 15,464
Local Time: 10:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by BrownEyedBoy
Why do you keep saying that? I've read all of them and all it says is: "Atheists are not aware that it's a Christian holiday, nor do some Chrisitans."

That doesn't make it any less a Christian holiday, though. It celebrates the birth of Christ, for the love of God! If not that then what does it celebrate? Did people just randomly come up with the name Christ-mas, and the whole December over nothing?

Really, I'm not trying to be rude or anything but it's just something I noticed and felt like talking about with open minded people who would probably just laugh it off and say "so?". Instead, all I see is denial ....or people pleading ignorance.
BrownEyedBoy,

Please ponder why this thread has many posts and yet you still feel nothing has been said.

Please ponder why many people have corrected the falsehoods in your statements and yet you continue to repeat them.

Please ponder why you ask questions and choose to not listen to the answers.

Thank you

peace
__________________
beli is offline  
Old 12-20-2004, 01:08 AM   #102
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Popmartijn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 32,543
Local Time: 03:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Calluna
My thoughts exactly. How stupid can one be. It seems the craft of reading what one writes is completely forgotten by some...

*joins Calluna in *
__________________
Popmartijn is online now  
Old 12-20-2004, 01:23 AM   #103
you are what you is
 
Salome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 22,016
Local Time: 03:10 PM
I haven't read this thread (for obvious reasons) but aren't the celebrations surrounding christmas mostly pagan rituals anyway?

I would guess that no matter what you (don't) believe in it never hurts to celebrate being with loved ones


talking about loved ones ....
I'm out of here
__________________
“Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.”
~Frank Zappa
Salome is offline  
Old 12-23-2004, 03:23 PM   #104
Refugee
 
Techie2000's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: The United States of America
Posts: 1,171
Local Time: 10:10 AM
I posted this somewhere else on the topic, and I feel its worth repeating...

Quote:
From my perspective, I always felt that Christmas wasn't really much of a religious holiday, and think that even if one does not believe it is still worth celebrating simply because it is fun to be joyful. Even as far as the aspect of Jesus goes, whether or not you believe he was God or the Messiah, he was still a historically significant figure who from what I can tell used his life to try and do good in the world and I'll be damned if he isn't worth celebrating anymore than MLK, Chris Columbus, or Abe Lincoln.
__________________
Techie2000 is offline  
Old 12-23-2004, 03:37 PM   #105
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
yimou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denmark
Posts: 4,786
Local Time: 03:10 PM
Religion or no religion ( ME ).. Have a nice xmas, and i hope you all havn´t wasted too much money on this corporate holiday
__________________

__________________
yimou is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com