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Old 12-16-2004, 09:27 PM   #61
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I forgot to add that it also makes for more public holidays, which is FAB.

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I think that hits the nail on the head...hell, I'll celebrate ANYTHING if I get a holiday!
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ewww.... We're allowed, but we prefer the young and tender. We'll leave all the old men for you Christians to munch.
No wonder why they don't get much attention.
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Old 12-17-2004, 02:23 PM   #63
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Should Unsaved People Be Allowed To Celebrate Christmas?

I'm sure all you Godly folks sitting in this church today know how I feel about unsaved people celebrating Christmas. But do you know how God feels about it? Well, I'm just about to tell you.** It drives Him into a blood vessel popping, demon stomping rage.* Ever wonder why so many folks die horrible, painful deaths in November and December each year?* Well, now you know. The Lord kills them.**

You see, when an unsaved child sits around the tree on Christmas morning – the same tree the baby Jesus played in front of when Mary and Joseph celebrated Christmas -- opening gifts - with each peel of the wrapper that little child is taking a whip to the Lord's back. And it pains Him so!* And the Lord doesn't just get angry, my friends!* – He gets even!...
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I doubt that.

But that's not even my point. There is nothing wrong with atheists celebrating Chritsmas and that you can infer from realizing that no one gets affected by it.

But, if I were an atheist, I would feel awkward carrying on a celebration that originated from the birth of Christ, whose existance I deny. See what I am saying? it's contradictory.
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Yes Calluna, you beat me to the punch!

Browneyedperson, maybe, just maybe, there isn't a contradiction. I would imagine that most athiests aren't celebrating the birth of Christ at Christmastime. They are celebrating a holiday season with family and friends.

Make sense?
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Old 12-17-2004, 07:32 PM   #67
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Yeah, that does make sense, that some atheists are unaware of the origins of Christmas.

But I feel like for them it must be "Embracing Christian traditions only when it's convenient for me."

Does that make sense?

It's not that big of a deal really...
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BrownEyedBoy, I think you might want to read Kierans post again.

Thanks.
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beli, why did you even bother to post that? Just wanting to increase your post count by any means necessary?
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Many people have addressed your questions. Either you are not comphrending what others are saying or you are patronising the posters in this thread.

Im giving you the benefit of the doubt. Its why I have repeatedly returned to this thread. I thought I could help explain something which you do not understand.

You previous post in response to Keirans post indicates that you have not grasped what he said. Nor what I have said.
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I don't think anyone has addressed my question correctly though.

Is Christmas a holiday with Christian origins? Yes.

Are atheists celebrating Christmas? Yes.

Don't atheist deny anything that's Christian? Yes.

So what about Christmas, do you deny that or do you prefer to remain oblivious because it gives you 2+ weeks of holiday and is more convenient to you?
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Old 12-17-2004, 08:18 PM   #72
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Yeah, that does make sense, that some atheists are unaware of the origins of Christmas.

But I feel like for them it must be "Embracing Christian traditions only when it's convenient for me."

Does that make sense?

It's not that big of a deal really...

Since many Christians embrace Christian traditions only when it's convenient, I don't see why others can't...

But I don't consider the celebration at Christmas that I partake in to have anything to do witj the Christian religion. It might be a Christian celebration to you, but it is not that for me. In fact, it is for me what many Christians often bitch and moan about -- that is: a purely secular celebration. So I'm not celebrating the birth of Christ, I'm celebrating being able to get together with friends and family.

And Christians co-opted a pagen holiday for Christmas, so really you are sucking up our holiday, damn it! And we want it back!
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I don't think anyone has addressed my question correctly though.
What does "correctly" mean? Noone has given you the answer you want to hear?

Many people have answered the questions in this thread. If the answers are not the answers you want then:

a. dont ask questions

or

b. think about the answers you have been given and why they are different to the answers you want to hear.
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Don't atheist deny anything that's Christian? Yes.
That is an unfounded assumption, I have a great deal of respect and admiration for the great works of Christianity over the ages in philosophy, art and politics. Do I deny that God exists, to that the answer is yes but does that mean that I will go out of my way to disrespect the rights of others to worship in peace? the answer is most certainly no. I will celebrate Christmas with my family and I will enjoy myself, I may not be celebrating the birth of Christ but I still think that this activity counts. The problem with your question is that it demands celebrating Christmas is to do with religiousity, a point that many would disagree about.
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A, have you always been an athiest? Did your parents raise you that way, or did you become disillusioned with religion? I'm just curious.
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