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Old 02-03-2006, 11:06 AM   #46
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Trying to teach responsiblity and respect in school is difficult, when the media's message is quite different.
Parents have the same problem at home. And it probably doesn't help that there are some very subtle ways parents and others are inadvertently reinforcing media messages even if they think they are teaching respect.

And as you said, kids are getting their (mis)information easily and early no matter what parents try to do to control it.
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Parents have the same problem at home. And it probably doesn't help that there are some very subtle ways parents and others are inadvertently reinforcing media messages even if they think they are teaching respect.

And as you said, they are getting their (mis)information easily and early no matter what parents try to do to control it.
Absolutely. I see plenty of parents reinforcing media messages in an attempt to be their children's friends instead of their parents. Just add it to the burden teachers face every day.
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And as you said, kids are getting their (mis)information easily and early no matter what parents try to do to control it.
misinformation often comes from parents.

the only thing my mom said about getting my period was to make sure no boys found out

and that only a promiscuous girl wore tampons
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misinformation often comes from parents.
Actually, I'd say it ALWAYS comes from parents either directly or indirectly.
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misinformation often comes from parents.

the only thing my mom said about getting my period was to make sure no boys found out

and that only a promiscuous girl wore tampons
I don't remember my Mom ever having a talk with me. Certainly not my Dad And tampons? Ha! I think we only had the giant size pads in the house TMI
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I think it's better to separate genders on this subject...kids will be a lot more willing talk about things if they're only with their own sex.
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That only reflects part of the picture, and I am not sure it is that accurate.

By 5th grade, students are well aware of the sexual nature of advertising, and the sexual content on television.

Also, kids with unsupervised access to the internet will come in with tales of pictures they have seen (and have heard these tales for a couple years by 5th grade).

Trying to teach responsiblity and respect in school is difficult, when the media's message is quite different.
Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Are you of the school of thought that people are desensitized to violence, because of media too? Because, last I heard, when 9/11 occurred, the media-going public with its unsatiable appetite for sex and violence was horrified.

Most everyone, including children, knows the difference between television and reality. That's why we have curious kids who watch the surgeries on cable, but many of whom would find it disgusting to see it up close and in person.

And sex? It's different when television says it. They're not real people, and when was the last time you saw a penis or vagina on broadcast television at all? It's different when your parents and your teachers talk about it. If you're taught to think it is a taboo subject in the real world, in contrast to television, you're going to start chuckling when you're finally hearing such uptight (and presumably "sexless") authority figures talking about it.

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I think America has a really warped view of sex and therefore imprints something 'taboo' and 'dirty' about it which in turn makes young teenagers want to do it more to 'rebel' against parents the man etc etc lol.

I think 5th graders are old enough to get their periods, they are old enough to learn about it. Periods are such a "teasy" thing because all boys know if they dont get taught is 'mum gets in a shit, dad says 'bloody pmt' and they bleed like buckets and buckets of blood ewwwwww' I think if they were told the REASON for a period, norishing the egg, breaking down the lining etc etc then it wouldnt be so 'ewww girls are dirty when they have it' mentality. I mean after all in 5/6 years they're gonna be praying their girlfriend gets one anyway! And going to buy tampons at the shops. My boyfriend knows exactly the ones i need and gets them wheneve ri ask. My period is one day not going to come because its norishing OUR BABY so why does it then need to NOT be taught to boys.

The same goes with masterbation for boys. We never knew why they did it and thought they wanked ever day 5 times a day etc, we didnt know they could get "hard" and not help it, that it was just a natural chemical reaction etc, when we used to see boys with a bulge in his pants, we would tease them mercifully thinking they were touching themselves etc, a little bit of knowledge both ways would cut down and not "hiding it away" from each other stop a bit of the misunderstand and mystery.

I also think that parents are so slack or so stupid in explaining sex to kids 'DONT DO IT!, wait till your married, its when the strok brings a baby, well the guy puts his hoo hoo into the ladies haa haa when they are in love' that most kids are all like wha??? anyway
i think the school should do it and actually tell the kids something right about it.

also, about the embaressing questions. We had a box you wrote questions in anon and they read them out and answered them so you got your question answered but wern't singled out. Its a much better system.
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And sex? It's different when television says it. They're not real people, and when was the last time you saw a penis or vagina on broadcast television at all? It's different when your parents and your teachers talk about it. If you're taught to think it is a taboo subject in the real world, in contrast to television, you're going to start chuckling when you're finally hearing such uptight (and presumably "sexless") authority figures talking about it.
What kids end up seeing is the hypocricy of their parents and other authority figures.
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Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. Are you of the school of thought that people are desensitized to violence, because of media too? Because, last I heard, when 9/11 occurred, the media-going public with its unsatiable appetite for sex and violence was horrified.

Most everyone, including children, knows the difference between television and reality. That's why we have curious kids who watch the surgeries on cable, but many of whom would find it disgusting to see it up close and in person.

And sex? It's different when television says it. They're not real people, and when was the last time you saw a penis or vagina on broadcast television at all? It's different when your parents and your teachers talk about it. If you're taught to think it is a taboo subject in the real world, in contrast to television, you're going to start chuckling when you're finally hearing such uptight (and presumably "sexless") authority figures talking about it.

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Nonsense? Perhaps in the world of academia.

In the real world, you can see the influence of media on children.

There is a huge difference between "telling the difference between television and reality" and a continual subtle influence that creates real world changes in children.

And to think that the only sexual messages conveyed to children must involve a penis or vagina is frankly ludicrous.
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Headache, what are you basing that inference on? I haven't personally read any other articles besides the one you posted.
i'm basing it on the fact that i live in the town and work for the district..
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I got my sex ed from my mother. She told me everything. But then I have unusual parents.
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Nonsense? Perhaps in the world of academia.

In the real world, you can see the influence of media on children.

There is a huge difference between "telling the difference between television and reality" and a continual subtle influence that creates real world changes in children.

And to think that the only sexual messages conveyed to children must involve a penis or vagina is frankly ludicrous.
The fact that these children giggle over body parts while supposedly being exposed to oodles of pornography on a regular basis (if conservative hysteria was to be believed) is why your desensitization argument is faulty.

But if "younger and younger kids are having sex," then it's all the more reason they're ready to start dealing with sexual education at younger and younger ages. Children aren't dumb, even if their parents think as much.

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I think kids need to learn about AIDS as early as possible-and about exactly how it is transmitted. What the Mayor says here sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

BY MICHAEL SAUL
NYDAILY NEWS CITY HALL BUREAU

Amid heated criticism, Mayor Bloomberg yesterday defended the Education Department's decision to begin teaching children as young as 5 about AIDS and the virus that causes it.

"We're making sure that it's age-appropriate," Bloomberg said of the city's new HIV/AIDS curriculum. "For the kids in first, second, third grades, you teach 'em about germs and to wash your hands.

"And as you move up, you try to tailor the education to the maturity of the students - to not do that would be reprehensible and irresponsible."

According to the new curriculum, kids as young as 5 will learn that HIV is a "germ" and "not easy to get," and that it could lead to AIDS, from which it's hard to "get well."

Teachers won't mention that HIV is transmitted through sexual contact until students reach the fourth grade.

The new curriculum has sparked outrage from some parents and conservative leaders, who believe kindergartners are too young to be taught about HIV/AIDS.

"This is entirely too young, and the city of New York should really hang their heads in shame," said Michael Long, chairman of the state Conservative Party. "This is big government at its worst - this is government telling mothers and fathers that they know better than parents do."

Catholic League President Bill Donohue urged Catholic parents to pull their kids from the classes, and called the new curriculum a "coordinated effort on the part of city officials to sexually engineer our children."

But Bloomberg said the new curriculum will go on. "There's nothing more important than making sure that our students not only get a good education, but live to use it," he said.
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You can prevent AIDS by washing your hands? I can understand teaching about germs, or teaching about AIDS when children may engage in risky behavior , but it doesn't appear that a curriculum geared towards 5-year olds is really for the benefit of the 5-year olds.
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