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anitram said:


The Republicans are old, stale and so pathetic compared to this. It is no surprise that their frontrunner hasn't raised as much money in over a year as Obama raised this month alone.

I cant wait for either of these two to attempt to debate John McCain. And if you want to talk about pathetic, how many times has President Bush's name been mentioned? Dozens. They're in for a shock when they realize that he isn't running.


I laughed when Hillary said that she could successfully counter McCain regarding the war. McCain has the support of countless military generals. If she's so knowledgable, why aren't they all flocking to her? Who does she have besides Wesley Clark?
 
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2861U2 said:


I cant wait for either of these two to attempt to debate John McCain.


I laughed when Hillary said that she could successfully counter McCain regarding the war. McCain has the support of countless military generals. If she's so knowledgable, why aren't they all flocking to her? Who does she have besides Wesley Clark?

Be honest, both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama could debate circles around McCain, and they both have much more realistic and lucid ideas.
 
onebloodonelife said:


Be honest, both Senator Clinton and Senator Obama could debate circles around McCain, and they both have much more realistic and lucid ideas.

I disagree.
 
2861U2 said:


I disagree.

And that's fine. It's my opinion that McCain is not near the candidate that Obama is. Plus, McCain's ideas on Iraq scare me more than a whole lot of other things.
 
By the way, what happened to this debate being 90 minutes? That's all the GOP got. How come this one is lasting longer?

CNN :shame:
 
Well...CNN is obviously biased. It's the liberal media conspiracy to get a Democrat more face time.
 
onebloodonelife said:
Both are articulating their ideas very well tonight. I have to say though, I'm really sick of seeing the celebrities in the audience...keep the cameras on the candidates please.

What celebrities have you seen?
 
Pierce Brosnan, Diane Keaton, Topher Grace (from That 70s Show)

EDIT: Just saw Stevie Wonder
 
onebloodonelife said:
Well...CNN is obviously biased. It's the liberal media conspiracy to get a Democrat more face time.

I know it.

I guess 2 people get 120 minutes but 4 people get 90 minutes. That's fair. :|
 
I can't even tell you how proud it makes me feel as an American to look up at that stage and see a woman and an African-American man, one of whom will be a viable and likely next president of our country. I thought I'd see the day at some point in my life, but to see it right now, and especially in my first election is incredible.
 
U2isthebest said:
I can't even tell you how proud it makes me feel as an American to look up at that stage and see a woman and an African-American man, one of whom will be a viable and likely next president of our country. I thought I'd see the day at some point in my life, but to see it right now, and especially in my first election is incredible.

:yes: I completely agree. It really tells you something about our country.


(It's my first election too, makes me feel amazing to be a part of history like this.)
 
onebloodonelife said:


:yes: I completely agree. It really tells you something about our country.


(It's my first election too, makes me feel amazing to be a part of history like this.)

You're right. The outcome of this election is imperative to the future of our country in every major area. I really pray that our peers (I'm 19, I'm assuming you're around the same age?) recognize the gravity of this situation and get involved in every way possible.
 
U2isthebest said:
I can't even tell you how proud it makes me feel as an American to look up at that stage and see a woman and an African-American man, one of whom will be a viable and likely next president of our country. I thought I'd see the day at some point in my life, but to see it right now, and especially in my first election is incredible.

Although I am at times irritated at the lack of progressive ideas within the democrat party, I couldn't be more proud (at this moment) of the party with these two candidates.
 
I found it rather strange that Obama never once uttered the words FIRED UP AND READY TO GO!

Apparently there's more to him than just slogans. . .
 
U2isthebest said:
I can't even tell you how proud it makes me feel as an American to look up at that stage and see a woman and an African-American man, one of whom will be a viable and likely next president of our country. I thought I'd see the day at some point in my life, but to see it right now, and especially in my first election is incredible.

It's far from my first election as a voter. But my thought at the end of this debate is "damn they should hug each other".
I actually feel a great sense of hope that great changes can happen.
Please don't burst my bubbble.. It's been a looong time coming.:wink:
 
Celebrities I saw: Steven Spielberg, America Ferrara, Stevie Wonder, Gary Shandling, Rob Reiner, Bradley Whitford, Fran Drescher,...
 
Diemen said:
I thought it was a great debate. Pretty even, too, though I feel Obama clearly was the stronger of the two when talking about the war.

I agree.

Although I do think Hillary still sounds more together when talking about healthcare than Obama does. So I'd call it even.
 
U2isthebest said:


You're right. The outcome of this election is imperative to the future of our country in every major area. I really pray that our peers (I'm 19, I'm assuming you're around the same age?) recognize the gravity of this situation and get involved in every way possible.

I know, there are definitely some people I know who are very involved in politics, in both parties, and lots of others who couldn't care less. Though I would like everyone to be involved, some of the ones who couldn't care less aren't really missed in the process. (Don't take that the wrong way, I'm kind of crabby at my stupid neighbors.)


(I'm 18, BTW)

EDIT: Side note-Obama broke his goal of 250,000 contributors in the month of January tonight as well. :up:
 
Well, I finally found what I was looking for in the debate--something that's been lacking in most of the discussion of the relative merits of the two so far--where they differ on the substantive issues. I found it absolutely fasicanating. At points, I found myself wishing--wow, I wish they could BOTH be president.

I would highlight the key differences I picked up in terms of more or less conservative:

Obama has a more conservative health care plan (it's not mandatory), Hillary's is more liberal.

Hillary is more conservative on the issues of immigration and foreign policy.

I think both did well in the debate. . .if I had to choose a winner I'd probably have to say Obama-- but only on the strength of their stances on the war. Obama's consistent opposition to the war (and the rather convenient fact that he wasn't ABLE to vote for or against it in the Senate) was much easier for him to defend than for her to explain why she voted to authorize the use of force. What Obama says on the war really resonates with me, personally, since I also felt the war was a bad idea, bad strategy etc from the very beginning.

the more cynical side of me thinks that Clinton (and a lot of the Democrats) weren't so enthused about the war either but voted yes anyway because they didn't want to be painted as unpatriotic and soft by Republican opponents later. In short, I think they sold out. Also cynically, I wonder if Obama might not have sold out too had he been in the position to do so. I would hope not but I have doubts.

On the whole, I got the sense that both candidates were playing to the nation tonight--thinking beyond the primaries, and figuring a lot of people are going to be watching tonight--independents, moderate Republicans etc and they're thinking is "we want to make sure that we BOTH look good to them." As one CNN commentator pointed out, they'll save the harsher attacks for the campaigning in the states over the next few days--but for the debate, I think they were already looking ahead to when one of the two will be the Democratic nominee.
 
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