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I'm not sure how you got that from my post, that is not my view at all.Dreadsox said:I am having a hard time understanding your point of view. Would you ban people belonging to a religion from voting or holding elected office? You cannot separate completely from what you believe religiously from yourself. The founding fathers were trying to prevent a Religion from dominating governement and using it for "tyrranical" purposes. You would have to BAN people who belong to organized religion from ever voting to get what you wish for.
Once again this is not what I'm saying.Dreadsox said:
Ignore the founding fathers religion....GOOD WE CAN DO THAT....But you cannot IGNORE the historical reasons that created the constitution the way they did. It was not to prevent people with religious beliefs from exercizing their rights in a Democracy to make laws.
I would ask that you not put words in my mouth, for this is never what I asked for. I believe everyone of all faiths should excercise their rights in a Democracy.Dreadsox said:
The Constitution was designed for ONE purpose in the area of Religion. I have cited and put their words in here. It was NOT designed to keep people of any faith from exercising their rights in a Democracy. That is what you are asking for, and it is contrary to their words and the intent of the First Amendment. It is clear from their words what their intent was especially when their words are kept in the context of the time they were written.
I didn't say that any of our founding father's were fundalmentalist. What I'm saying is that you said it was alright for this country to claim Christianity as it's religion(based on the founding father's beliefs) as long as it doesn't claim a denomination, and that I fear will lead to fundalmentalism.Dreadsox said:
If you have read what I posted, you would not consider any of the men MNelon or I discussed, fundamentalist. On the contrary, one thing Melon and I would agree with (I think) is that they would very much think fundamentalism as we know it today to be very silly. Clearly Jefferson and Adams would not be party to it. I would venture Mr. Franklin would not as well. He also urged Thomas Paine to not publish his attack on religion....
All I'm saying and the one thing you haven't answered yet, is that the first amendment should not allow the legislation of laws based soley on one's religion. If I'm understanding you correctly you feel that's fine. But that's only because you believe the same way the majority in Washington do.
I won't touch the gay marriage issue because we've already ran that one into the ground. But let's say Bush wants to add an ammendment or pass a law that says all children born out of wedlock automatically go to the state and will be put up for adoption, because his interpretation of his religion says premarital sex is wrong. And children born out of wedlock ruin the sanctity of family. Would you support his ability to do this? I'm not asking if you'd support the law, but would you support his ability?