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Old 01-20-2005, 07:35 PM   #31
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The only reasoon that I ventured that question was that there are many out there who will grill a pro-US foreigner like they are an aberation because they are so entrenched in their ideology that they believe that the rest of the world doesn't like Bush.
It's a tough camp to be in, my friend.
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Old 01-20-2005, 07:47 PM   #32
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I should just state that the rest of the world both loves and hates Bush with the overwhelming majority in western nations disliking him for various reasons.
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Old 01-20-2005, 07:49 PM   #33
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It's a tough camp to be in, my friend.
this forum is child's play to us veterans.

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And I am a hardcore supporter of separation of church and state. Believe what you want, but DO NOT EVER EVER EVER try to impose your beliefs on me using the legal system as a catalyst.
Whose beliefs should we be imposing??
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Compared to the year that I spent in a media studies class learning about how Michael Moore was brilliant this is an ultraconservative forum.
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Whose beliefs should we be imposing??

Mine.
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Old 01-20-2005, 08:10 PM   #38
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Compared to the year that I spent in a media studies class learning about how Michael Moore was brilliant this is an ultraconservative forum.
I had to challenge myself to ask this...

But what did you learn in that class? What did you get out of it?
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I learned that 90% of media studies is bullshit language and the other 10 percent is divided between obvious facts and pure speculation. Needless to say when I decided my final years studies in High School it was: English, Maths, Physics, Chemistry and International Relations.
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What's this about Hillary or other politicians moving to the left, to the center, to the right to win an election? There was a lot of talk about Kerry eeding to move to the center during the recent campaign. I don't get it. Isn't a candidate supposed to stand for what they believe in? To "move to the center" don't you have either abandon your principles or lie?
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That's an interesting point. Obviously, the left isn't winning enough elections where they currently stand. I can't say that they're abandoning too many liberal principles, but moderating them in attempts to appeal to undecided voters and one-issued republicans. It's what they're doing to get votes, and that's how they're doing their job.
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What's this about Hillary or other politicians moving to the left, to the center, to the right to win an election? There was a lot of talk about Kerry eeding to move to the center during the recent campaign. I don't get it. Isn't a candidate supposed to stand for what they believe in? To "move to the center" don't you have either abandon your principles or lie?
Isn't this what W did with the first election and his "compassionate conservative"? His claiming that had many die-hard conservatives up in arms and concerned(apparently they don't like compassion).
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Some Democrats want to move to the center a la Jimmy Carter in 1976 after the 1972 McGovern fiasco. When McGovern lost in 1972 it was the biggest landslide in U.S. Presidential history. I do not have the numbers but Nixon got close to 80% of the vote in some conservative parts of the country, including my own state, Alabama. When the Democrats decided to move to the center, they changed the kind of Democrat they nominated. Carter was seen as a more moderate candidate, he was a Southerner, he was a practicing Southern Baptist, and they thought that's what they needed to win. It worked in 1976, but just barely, and it was flawed because of Carter's limitations. It's all about the quality of the nominee. Since our election campaigns last eight months, only independently wealthy people can run. This really pisses me off. We're not getting the best people in either party. We're getting the best fund-raisers and the people with money. It's a rip-off of the whole country.
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So in the Carter instance, the party voters chose a more moderate candidate but that candidate didn't change his views. It seems to me that Kerry tried this political maneuvering and the Republicans dug up quotes that contradicted his new stances, allowing him, whether you agree or not, to be effectively labeled as a flip-flopper.
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