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Old 06-17-2005, 09:19 PM   #1
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Sen. Dick Durbin

The silence over his comments is deafening.......

Thoughts....

Praise.....

Criticisms....


The number 2 democrat speaks.....and not a single Democrat chastizes him?

Shame on the Dems....
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Old 06-17-2005, 09:21 PM   #2
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I work in news, and, yet, I haven't a clue as to what he said. Care to fill me in?

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If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime—Pol Pot or others—that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
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When you read some of the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here—I almost hesitate to put them in the RECORD, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:

On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold. ..... On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2005_record&page=S6594&position=all

I just figured that most people agreed with him.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...nworld-hedGood for Durbin.

He needs no chastizement.

He had every right to make the comments he made.

The mistreatment of prisons cannot be overlooked, excused or down played just because it's us who's doing it.

I see nothing wrong with Durbin's comparisons, either. Since similiar abuses and mistreatment occurred under Nazi, Soviet Communist or other regimes, then there is grounds for Durbin comparisons. Abuse of prisoners is abuse of prisoners.

I am grateful to Dick Durbin for having the courage to make a stand, and take an opportunity to try and make America see it's mistakes.
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Since we don't like being called "Nazis" or whatever the fascist word of the day is, is what we did in keeping with what we'd expect from repressive regimes?

Personally, I'm currently swimming in a pool of apathy, so I don't care to formulate an opinion. I'm hoping everyone here with a strong opinion one way or another can make their case. Just forget the "Nazi/Soviet/Pol Pot" semantics for a moment, if we can. Is what the FBI agent reported consistent with what we'd expect from an undemocratic nation that we'd love to slap sanctions on? In other words, if Iran did the above, would we make a big deal about it or just say, "Oh well"? Apparently, the GOP is more than willing to say "oh well."

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I hear the governments reply already. *you can be glad that you are living in a country where a FBI agent can report this *
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For the past two days, it's been the only story of note on right wing radio. Hour in and hour out over two paragraphs. I neither agree nor disagree with him. When Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity make this big deal over a story, I figure it's another nonissue meant to cloud the real issues.
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In WW2 Roosevelt authorised millitary tribunals for captured Axis spies, individuals captured out of uniform were executed and on the eastern front neither side adhered to conventions and there were mass executions all around.
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On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.
I know I'm cold and heartless but this part of the quote made me LOL for some reason.
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Old 06-18-2005, 05:20 AM   #11
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Nazi Germany - 6 Million Killed
Soviet Union - 20 million Killed
Pol Pot - 2 million killed

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Guantanao - 0 Killed


Man we have some catching up to do!
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The treatment of the inmates is pretty appalling, but I find the comparison to Pol Pot excessive. Pol Pot liquidated millions of his political opponents. While my government is certainly doing things of which I don't approve they're not murderous genocidal maniacs. Durbin's heart is in the right place as far as not approving of everything going on in the camp, but his rhetoric is excessive.
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Nazi Germany - 6 Million Killed
Soviet Union - 20 million Killed
Pol Pot - 2 million killed

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Guantanao - 0 Killed


Man we have some catching up to do!
Vietnam

Iraq

Hiroshima

Nagasaki
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Vietnam ~ 2 - 4 million civilian deaths total from all sides.

Iraq ~ 500,000 in and between the two wars with US involvement. Including the sanctions related deaths.

Hiroshima ~ 80,000 civilians outright, 239,000 with long term radiation associated deaths.

Nagasaki ~ 39,000 outright, 100,000 with radiation associated deaths.

It seems that the US can't beat the those other guys when it comes to killing civilians, even during wars when it can use all those bombs and bullets it just can't seem to get the numbers up.
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Guantanao - 0 Killed


and this is based on what?
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