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Old 01-09-2005, 08:38 AM   #106
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This article relly states what we acheived with this challenge. It was not sour grapes, it was about fixing problems for the future, that wasn't done after 2000.

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.ph...ticle&sid=1447

1. The topic of election fraud has been forced into the corporate media. Reporters wanting to write about it now have a "hook." They can report on it now in the way they could have two months ago if Senator John Kerry hadn't crawled under his bed to hide. Sure, much of the media today treated the story as one of "political theater" and "grandstanding Democrats," but until now the story had not been there at all.
http://ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op...ticle&sid=1398
Now the Democrats have the opportunity to explain why fighting for Democracy is the only decent thing to do, even when success seems unlikely.

2. We now have solid evidence that a political party can challenge a stolen election without causing national trauma of the sort Kerry tried to protect us from by conceding. Most Americans are not now in agony over the tensions felt on January 6th in Congress.

3. We have demonstrated that a grassroots movement of minorities and progressives can mobilize around an issue completely blacked out of the media and move US Senators to act. The reason Barbara Boxer stood tall today, while not even Paul Wellstone would do so four years ago, is that four years ago there was no massive grassroots lobbying effort. Nobody was holding "Boxer Rebellion" demonstrations at Boxer's offices four years ago. There were no hearings and bus rides, telephone and fax campaigns, nothing like what we've seen for the past two months. We also lacked the leadership that Congressman John Conyers has shown, but Conyers will be the first to say he couldn't have done this without a movement behind him. The rally Thursday morning across from the White House (report and photos here:
http://ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op...ticle&sid=1445 )
was a celebration of success against the odds, of accomplishment in the face of scorn and ridicule with only justice and determination to keep people going. There will be momentum coming out of this for supporters of democracy all over this country.

4. A coalition has begun to form and to feel its power. Cliff Arnebeck of Alliance for Democracy and Common Cause Ohio told me Thursday morning that the way the Cleveland AFL-CIO worked with the white public interest crowd and the black civil rights folks on this issue is matched by the way the Ohio state AFL-CIO is working with these groups in opposition to a Republican proposal in Ohio to eliminate campaign finance limits. Labor, Arnebeck said, is one of the three key parts of a coalition that must be built nationally.

"Labor has to be viewed as a public interest organization," he said. "Every organization has its own selfish interests. But the labor union movement stands for democracy and not for benefiting a small elite, but for the vast majority - not for this CEO club. It's going to come together…This will revitalize all three movements."

5. The Democratic Party has put its toes into the water of actual opposition to the Republicans. Today ended any remaining credibility for another presidential nomination for Kerry -- and probably for any other senators who did not voice their support for Barbara Boxer's challenge. Those who did not speak today will have to campaign against that record, as Kerry campaigned against his vote for Bush's war. The Democrats have begun to emerge as a second party in what has often seemed a one-party or duopolistic system. More power to them. It's up to us to keep this ball rolling by urging aggressive action on election reform and all other issues. The Democrats have started to copy Republican brashness. If they can cease copying Republican policy positions, there may be hope for them yet. Reid announced that he would introduce an election reform bill in a few days.
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Old 01-09-2005, 02:39 PM   #107
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excellent posts, scarletwine

There is a new funding-raising letter for Mr. blackwell, he wants to run for some other office.
In it he 'boasts' that he 'delivered ohio ofr Bush' so he's an effective Republican.

Please note also that the 3 Major voting maching making corporationsn are owned by, have software-writers by people in the following movements and are also helped by the most virulent part of the right-wing Christian movements the Christian Reconstructionists and the Dominiansts.

People, anyone who consideres themselves a Christian who's peaceful [& does thier best to be]AND believes that all human beings are worthly of a at least a deccent life i hope would/will check out the net to understand how utterly cruel and against Jesues's teachings from the Sermon on the Mount these people ARE, and how they are getting more and more power in the Republican Party and in Bush's administration. Please take some time at some point....especially those like me in the North who may be familiar with more wide-spread racist groups like neo-nazis & NAAWP, & aryan nation but not these Even further that that biggot Christian/evagialist Pat Robertson and he felow ministers..
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Old 01-09-2005, 07:56 PM   #108
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What is the American voting population supposed to think of a party that cries for a recount after every presidential election they lose?
What is the American voting population supposed to think of a Secretary of State who chairs the campaign of a person who wins the presidential vote and not two months later sends out a letter that violates two major campaign finances rules and claims he is the reason the president is in the White House?

And while no state has a partisan secretary of state, California lawmakers are looking into passing a law to do just that -- it's not impossible. And even without going that far, states can at least make a law saying the Sec. of State can't chair a political campaign for any office such as president. I can only see a law like that helping.
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As I mentioned earlier, if the Sec of State violated the rules, he should be brought to justice. Still, I doubt this challenge will change anything regarding the election results. I don't deny that there may have been schemes on either side, but I've heard a lot of accusations and insinuations since November 3, 2004.

I live in Ohio. On November 2, I went to two different election polls and there were no problems at all (before you accuse me of voting twice, I had to drive my girlfriend to her voting poll ). Of course I don't live in Franklin County or Columbus, so I have no idea what Boxer is talking about. I can imagine that certain areas in states like New York and California were worse off than we were as far as people leaving the polls out of frustration, but of course it's not an issue because those states primarily vote with no contest, and they are not swing states.
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Old 01-10-2005, 12:57 AM   #110
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ok even i have moved on. they need to move on too. there are other battles to be fought.
and to U2Democrat.

I had an entire post going over this but it has nothing compared to this, the wheel never stops turning so lick your wounds and come back better and stronger than ever.
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I live in Ohio. On November 2, I went to two different election polls and there were no problems at all (before you accuse me of voting twice, I had to drive my girlfriend to her voting poll ). Of course I don't live in Franklin County or Columbus, so I have no idea what Boxer is talking about. I can imagine that certain areas in states like New York and California were worse off than we were as far as people leaving the polls out of frustration, but of course it's not an issue because those states primarily vote with no contest, and they are not swing states.
Are you a republican?
Did you vote in a county [or precint] that is Majority Republican.....?

If so...please go back and reread my earlier post on 50-50% statistics...[U]almost ALL the counites were there were voting problems....all of the errors fell on the Democrats side! THAT is considered extremely unlikely by statistians!
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Are you a republican?
Did you vote in a county [or precint] that is Majority Republican.....?

If so...please go back and reread my earlier post on 50-50% statistics...[U]almost ALL the counites were there were voting problems....all of the errors fell on the Democrats side! THAT is considered extremely unlikely by statistians!
Be sure to verify race too! This was an all-encompassing conspiracy.....
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Be sure to verify race too! This was an all-encompassing conspiracy.....

never mind, wrong person
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Are you a republican?
Did you vote in a county [or precint] that is Majority Republican.....?

If so...please go back and reread my earlier post on 50-50% statistics...[U]almost ALL the counites were there were voting problems....all of the errors fell on the Democrats side! THAT is considered extremely unlikely by statistians!
I am a republican voter, but my county is fairly liberal-leaning. Roughly 57% of my county's population is liberal. I didn't say anything about all the errors falling on the democrats' side, and I honestly have no clue why my posts brought you to believe that I did. Kerry won my county, if that makes you happy.
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Kerry had something to say about it yesterday

http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...re_suppressed/
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Why would he concede so quickly if he thought he was robbed out of the election?

This is of course assuming that he feels this way. He didn't challenge this the day after the election.

"In Democratic districts, it took people four, five, 11 hours to vote, while Republicans [went] through in 10 minutes. Same voting machines, same process, our America," Kerry said.

Again, I live in a liberal county in Ohio, and yet I have not a clue what brought him to this conclusion.
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