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Old 06-01-2004, 06:05 PM   #61
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Does it ever stop being her baby?
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Does it ever stop being her baby?
That would be the topic for another thread?
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Sorry, I think we were straying.
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That seems so judgemental to me.
Isn't it judgmental to determine what constitutes a quality of life worth living? If a cleft lip constitutes "not worth living" why should the decision to kill them end at birth?


I understand where you are going with the emotional level of the decision, but I think this would be the case in most abortions.
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Again, is it me, or does anyone else thing we will have the technology to identify other "defects" in the womb?

Doesn't this worry anyone?
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What do you mean by concern? Are you afraid what it will lead to? Because you have to understand that in medical research, things will be discovered that you may or may not like.

That technology could save your child, or it could lead someone to abort theirs. Are you willing to sacrifice the life of your child in the name of halting a technology which may lead to other, undesirable effects? Let's be fair and objective here - the same technology that allows for detection of cleft palate also allows for early detection of spina bifida and doctors have now developed in utero surgeries which have the potential to completely change these children's lives. So, do you say no to this on the chance that 1 in 10 or whatever may just choose not to have the baby at all?

It's an easy decision for me.
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I am not against technological advances, however, I am not certain that this, like any other technology, is going to be used properly.

Maybe this is the way we become more like sparta? To me that is a bad thing.
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To be honest with you, when you asked if it was a concern, to me it is a minor one, if at all.

Considering that we don't eat properly (North American diets are repulsive), we poison the atmosphere with oversized cars we don't need and then we even bitch about the oil prices and support regimes overseas so that we can keep our gas guzzlers going, we smoke and continue to produce tobacco, we continue to militarize the world while 2 billion don't have access to drinking water, we let people die of AIDS in Africa so that some old fart in the West can have Viagra, we live sedentary lives, we are contributing to global warming, our children are living through an epidemic of juvenile diabetes (thanks to the aforementioned diet), we have people blowing themselves up in discos and restaurants, people flying planes into buildings, cancer rates totally out of control, our bodies are not decomposing normally after death thanks to all the preservatives, we're annihilating dozens of species every day, cutting down forests, dumping crap into the oceans and rivers, waging wars, etc.

If we're talking about inappropriate uses of technology, in utero diagnostics are way, way down on the bottom of my list of things causing death and destruction in the world.
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thank you...for entertaining my question.

Any chance they can identify bi-polar disorder in utero in 100 years? What about homosexuality?

How many parents would just asume NOT have a child grow up to be homosexual. There are people who have said on this board it is a genetic defect (NOT MY POSITION).

Just because this is a MAJOR priority now in your mind, does not mean that we will be in this situation later.

Again, thanks for your opinion.
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Let's use a hypothetical situation here: a couple finds out that their child will be born with such severe disabilities that it will live for only a few months or years, will have no quality of life and will suffer unimaginably throughout its entire life. In your opinion if they choose to have an abortion, then they shouldn't have got pregnant in the first place?
Yep. I don't believe humans have ANY right to decide when to end another human life, period. Sorry, absolutely nothing will convince me otherwise. Playing God is the greatest and worst form of judgement, I think.
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Again, is it me, or does anyone else thing we will have the technology to identify other "defects" in the womb?
Yes.

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Doesn't this worry anyone?
Nope. Tis a good thing in my opinion.
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Bond for Daniella Dawes


June 2, 2004

A SYDNEY woman who suffocated her autistic son has been given a five-year good behaviour bond.


NSW District Court judge Roy Ellis today sentenced Daniella Dawes, 39, to the good behaviour bond for the manslaughter of her 10-year-old son Jason at their Kings Langley home, in Sydney's west, on August 4 last year.

The crown had earlier accepted her plea of manslaughter on the grounds she had diminished responsibility for the killing due to a mental illness.


Judge Ellis said Dawes had already suffered enough and the circumstances of the case were so exceptional to warrant a non-custodial sentence.


"It is little wonder this offender was unable to cope on the morning of the 4th of August 2003," Judge Ellis told the court, which was sitting at Parramatta.

AAP

Sidetracking here, but I thought of this thread when I was listening to the news this afternoon.

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No a sidetrack at all. Why is this case different if tests show an unborn child will be autistic, and it is aborted?
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Why is this case different if tests show an unborn child will be autistic, and it is aborted?
Either way, the result is the same.
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No a sidetrack at all. Why is this case different if tests show an unborn child will be autistic, and it is aborted?
In threads like this it becomes increasingly hard to not make generalisations. This case specifically is like every other in that there are extenuating circumstances. They're all the same in their differences. Can any of us imagine suffocating our own child? Can you imagine being at that point? I sincerely doubt we can. It is a long road between deciding to continue with the pregnancy and ending up at such a devasting moment. We can list the 1000 things this woman should have done. What could have been done. What if's. I dont know what to think about this case. I really dont. I'm not a fan of abortion, and never murder. But this woman. It broke her.
How can we prevent abortion and also prevent people from reaching this point? You only need to skim the surface to know the need is far greater than available resources.
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