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Old 06-17-2007, 10:04 PM   #1
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Sunday Dispatch #344


We were born to mothers who smoked and drank
Our cribs were covered in lead-based paint
No childproof lids
No seatbelts in cars
Rode bikes with no helmets
and still here we are
Still here we are

We got daddy's belt when we misbehaved
Had three TV channels you got up to change
No video games and no satellite
All we had were friends and they were outside
Playing outside

It was a different life
When we were boys and girls
Not just a different time
It was a different world

School always started the same everyday
the pledge of allegiance, then someone would pray
not every kid made the team when they tried
We got disappointed but that was alright

We turned out alright

It was a different life
When we were boys and girls
Not just a different time
It was a different world

No bottled water
We'd drink from a garden hose
And every Sunday,
All the stores were closed.

It was a different life
When we were boys and girls
Not just a different time
It was a different world

It was a different life
When we were boys and girls
Not just a different time
It was a different world

It was a different world


~Bucky Covington
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:51 PM   #2
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Heh, I pretty much disagree with everything this guy is saying. The mere thought of school prayer and pledges of allegiance makes me want to throw up. And I sincerely question the sanity of everyone who's looking back with nostalgia on smoking and drinking mothers, cars without seatbelts and getting hit with a belt.
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These lyrics or poem or whatever it is could be printed in the dictionary next to the word "Romanticize"

First off, not all of us were born to mothers who smoked and drank. I know I wasn't. And neither was my mother. And neither was her mother.

The lines about childproof lids, seatbelts, and no helmets and yet "here we are" is a paen to luck and nothing else. For every person who is "still here" to nod their heads to this song, there were kids who choked, people thrown through the windshields, and folks who got their heads smashed open. They are most certainly NOT "still here." If you want to take some kind of libertarian stance that there should be no seatbelt and helmet laws, then fine. But don't romanticize a time when such a safety devices weren't even an OPTION for those who might have wanted them.

And lets talk about why you can't drink from a garden hose anymore? How much you want to bet this Bucky Covington isn't particular supportive of the types of environmental protection efforts that would have ensured that drinking from a garden hose would still be quite safe.

And this every Sunday the stores would close?!? Well, I'll tell you I find that pretty scary. Back in those "good old days" members of my church were often in trouble with the law because they refused to work on Saturday or DID work on the Sunday. Members of my church believe that God calls us to observe the seventh-day Sabbath so for us "Sunday laws"? Bad idea. Of course we would NEVER force our Sabbath-observance on anyone else or ask that it be mandated by law. I find it horrifying that other Christians apparently have no qualms about doing so.

This whole song illustrates what I think what is happening with a large generally, white and Christian group of people in this country. There is a sense that they are losing their hegemony in this country. I can tell you you won't find many black folks looking back longingly to the same time period you can bet this song is romanticizing. Fighting to retain your exclusive cultural control over the country is certainly understandable. But there's nothing remotely Christian about it. And nothing romantic either.
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:36 PM   #4
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These lyrics or poem or whatever it is could be printed in the dictionary next to the word "Romanticize"
You basically wrote the post I was going to write, which would even have included the word "romanticize."

But, frankly, I wasn't in the mood for a fight, so I'm glad that you said it for me!
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I can tell you you won't find many black folks looking back longingly to the same time period you can bet this song is romanticizing.
This is usually my thought as well when people start in about the "good old days."
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This is usually my thought as well when people start in about the "good old days."
Me too.

Along with so many other minority groups. Hell, women weren't allowed at Yale until 1969! Pardon me if I'm not longing for those days.
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Re: Sd#344

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Sunday Dispatch #344



Still here we are

Not all of us, many didn't make it, should we write a romanticized poem about their deaths?
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Old 06-18-2007, 07:25 AM   #8
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Do what I do, bvs, and that is parade around emergency rooms of your local hospital where people are in critical conditions from lack of seatbelts or alcohol, and scream at them with glee:
"This is the price of your freedom, little buddy!"

It's a great conversation starter.
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In the "good old days" African Americans didn't have the vote around here, everything was segregated, the Klan was beating the hell out of civil rights demonstrators..........yeah.
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I'm just a stupid Libertarian I guess.

Not ready to bow to the Nanny State...

just searching for a wooden seated swing.

Playgrounds are so whimpy now
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Thus proving the rule that the only kind of freedom is the freedom to do stupid things. Libertarianism is not hedonistic self-destruction, in fact I doubt that those types would last very long in a free society.

I hate puritanical wankers who insist that people shouldn't be allowed to smoke or drink but that isn't going to make me take up smoking to protest them. Love the freedom, not the action.
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I'm just a stupid Libertarian I guess.

Not ready to bow to the Nanny State...

just searching for a wooden seated swing.

Playgrounds are so whimpy now
So are you just going to ignore the points that were brought up?
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:04 PM   #14
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It's quite inconcequential, this poster believes in freedom as far as it is convenient for themselves and finds fault when others must cover their own arses (try building an unsafe playground and not getting sued) or excercise common sense (carcinogenic cigarettes are not good for you and alcohol will damage a foetus). And the points on the role of religion and closing stores most certainly breach religious and economic liberties.

I just think that it's totally full of shit that libertarianism on this board gets defined as this sort of hedonistic trash, it actually makes the regulatory case that much easier by showing how without state control people will self destruct. A state is needed to maintain civil society, I think that the needs of most people demands state interventions at the expense of liberties (if you have universal healthcare then ilicit and harmful drugs are a bad thing for everybody) and I think that the role of libertarian groups is to fight against the unwarranted excesses of state intervention in the knowledge that the centre will never ever be willing to give up it's treasured securities for liberties. Also packing into this is enough common sense to wear a seatbelt, not jepordise other peoples lives by doing dangerous things, be supportive of freedom (namely liberal secularism, sexual liberties, free speech) and to look forward to the future.
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Old 06-23-2007, 09:09 PM   #15
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I just think that it's totally full of shit that libertarianism on this board gets defined as this sort of hedonistic trash,
I don't think libertarianism is hedonistic trash at all. It's a philosophy that ignores basic human nature and history. That's all.
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