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I just find it amusing that someone who is boasting about heading off to subjugate, kill and oppress the inhabitants of another country is spouting shite about morality.

Just bloody hilarious (and I do mean bloody)

The virus of imperialism is a like a cancer on society.
 
financeguy said:

The virus of imperialism is a like a cancer on society.

Well, it worked pretty well for Rome.

That was a joke.

I'm not going off to do any of those things. I'm off to stop those things from happening to us.
 
If anyone cares I found the article that this quote came from-it's from the NY Times

Also according to an interview with her in Newsweek, she has been "open about her non-devoutness" and according to this article she is a "lapsed Catholic"

God, Mom and Country: A Filmmaker’s Odyssey
By FELICIA R. LEE Jan 11 2007

You are a young documentary filmmaker with a reputation for capturing politicians’ antics. In a deliberate departure from politics, your latest film is a road trip into the world of evangelical Christians that includes a drive-through church, a Christian wrestling federation, a stand-up Christian comic, an evangelical Elvis and a biblical miniature golf course complete with the empty tomb of Jesus.

It just so happens, though, that your designated tour guide in that world is the Rev. Ted Haggard, then president of the National Association of Evangelicals who, after your film is finished, is accused of buying illegal drugs from a male prostitute and paying him for sex. And your mother, it turns out, makes history, becoming the first female speaker of the House just weeks before your film is broadcast.

Those two big events are the back story for Alexandra Pelosi, whose film “Friends of God: A Road Trip With Alexandra Pelosi,” is to be shown on HBO on Jan. 25. The youngest child of Nancy Pelosi, the California Democrat sworn in last week as speaker of the House, Ms. Pelosi said the other day she worried that her film would not be received in an “open-minded way.”

People might love it or hate because of her mother or because of its association with Mr. Haggard, she said. But what she really wanted, Ms. Pelosi said, was to further the conversation about religion and culture.

“I believe in the culture war,” she said. “And you know what? If I have to take a side in the culture war I’ll take their side,” meaning the Christian conservatives. “Because if you give me the choice of Paris Hilton or Jesus, I’ll take Jesus.”

Ms. Pelosi wrote, directed and produced “Friends of God,” which took her through 16 states and the District of Columbia with a small, hand-held camera. It is offered as a series of snapshots, she said, with a focus on conservative evangelicals, including the ministers Jerry Falwell and Joel Osteen. In the film Mr. Haggard explains the allure of evangelical Christianity and extols the primacy of sex among evangelicals.

“I unfortunately chose the wrong leading man,” Ms. Pelosi said of Mr. Haggard, whom she picked for his credibility. She liked him, she said, and they spent a great deal of time together.

“Pastor Ted was my tour guide,” she said. “When I met him he was so reasonable and open, and he took me camping at Pikes Peak. He taught me how to shoot a gun at the top of Pikes Peak. I thought he was the most reasonable man I had met on the road.”

After his fall, Ms. Pelosi scurried back to the editing room, saddened. “We had to take some stuff out,” she said. “But you can’t do an entire movie without the failed guy.”

Ms. Pelosi, 36, is best known for her films “Journeys With George” (about George W. Bush) and “Diary of a Political Tourist” (about Democratic presidential candidates).

“I would like to think that evangelicals would love this movie,” she said, adding that she tried hard to make them look their best. “But a lot of them won’t even watch it because they don’t want to watch my mom’s daughter’s movie.”

The Rev. Leith Anderson, who replaced Mr. Haggard as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, said he expected that evangelical Christians would decide to watch “Friends of God” for the same reasons as other viewers: buzz and reviews. “I hope more and more Americans realize there is a broad diversity of evangelicals, a diversity in race, politics and denominations,” said Mr. Anderson, the senior pastor of the Wooddale Church in Eden Prairie, Minn. “If that comes across in the documentary that’s really good.”

“Friends of God” opens with an on-screen declaration that the documentary (which Ms. Pelosi began shooting on her honeymoon in June 2005) was completed before Mr. Haggard’s scandal.

Ms. Pelosi said she thought many viewers might want to sneak a peek at Mr. Haggard, the founder and former senior pastor of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo.

“You know all the surveys say that evangelicals have the best sex life of any other group,” Mr. Haggard says slyly to the camera, to which the effusive Ms. Pelosi responds, “No way.” Mr. Haggard then asks a parishioner at his 14,000-member church how often he has sex with his wife. The man says: “Every day. Twice a day.”

Days before the Democrats captured the House and Senate, Mr. Haggard was dismissed by his church’s board of overseers for “sexually immoral conduct.” A male prostitute in Denver had said in a radio interview that Mr. Haggard had been a monthly customer and buyer of methamphetamines. Mr. Haggard responded that not all the accusations were true. But he stated in a letter read in his church that “enough of them are true that I have been appropriately and lovingly removed from ministry.”

Did Ms. Pelosi have any inkling that Mr. Haggard was not as advertised?

“I did,” she said. “People flock to the church for a reason. Some people flock to the church for a reason. It seemed like there was some reason he was so drawn to me. There was something in him. I mean, if he was a true red-state evangelical we wouldn’t have sort of clicked.” And he never gay-bashed, she said.

But Ms. Pelosi said the film’s point was that the evangelical Christian movement was big — bigger than any one pastor.

“Depending on whom you ask, there could be between 50 and 80 million evangelical Christians in America,” Ms. Pelosi says in “Friends.”

On the road, she said, she was repeatedly asked about her own beliefs. “I got saved five times a day,” she said, describing herself as a believer in God and a lapsed Roman Catholic who dislikes church. But she and her husband, Michiel Vos, a journalist for Dutch media, intend to make certain that their son, Paul Michael Vos (born Nov. 13), goes to church, she said, so he would have “more than himself and capitalism to believe in.”

As a first-time mother, a fairly new wife and the sister of four siblings, Ms. Pelosi clearly has her own take on so-called family values. But at least one Pelosi never sees any of her work in advance but is invited to screenings like everyone else, she said.

“The last thing I need is her editing my film,” Ms. Pelosi said cheerfully, talking about her mother. “She’ll be subtle, the same way she comes to my house and says I need to drop one of the baby’s feedings. You don’t get to be speaker of the House by being subtle.”
 
Why bother replying if you are not going to engage and listen to what everyone here is saying, AEON?

That is a question. Feel free to answer it, hedge around it, avoid it entirely, or respond with a rhetorical question.
 
Angela Harlem said:
Why bother replying if you are not going to engage and listen to what everyone here is saying, AEON?

That is a question. Feel free to answer it, hedge around it, avoid it entirely, or respond with a rhetorical question.

I already knew that Irvine is gay.
 
AEON said:


I already knew that Irvine is gay.



and being gay has given me a boyfriend. and, thus, love.

if i didn't engage in the practice of homosexuality, i'd be miserable and alone, or perhaps in a faux-relationship with some poor girl who's wondering if it's her fault that i'm not terribly into her body.
 
AEON said:


As someone who believes you are either with Christ or against Him

Now I see how Bush was able to feed crap to people and have them swallow it up happily.

There was no point to discuss anything in this thread after this statement, not like anything productive can come of it.
 
anitram said:


Now I see how Bush was able to feed crap to people and have them swallow it up happily.

There was no point to discuss anything in this thread after this statement, not like anything productive can come of it.

This idea is about 2000 years before Bush.
 
AEON said:


This idea is about 2000 years before Bush.

Yes and he used the language and the idea to his advantage. He certainly knows what appeals to his base.
 
anitram said:


Yes and he used the language and the idea to his advantage. He certainly knows what appeals to his base.

He's too liberal to appeal to his base. He was simply the lesser of two evils in both elections.
 
Re: old people say the craziest things

deep said:
it is not a choice between Paris Hilton or Jesus


and as usual, these culture wars
are presented as a false dichotomy

First of all, this says it all.
 
AEON said:


As someone who believes you are either with Christ or against Him - I don't see this as a false dichotomy. One could argue that Paris doesn't represent the extreme opposite of Christ, and perhaps there are better examples of that ideal opposite - but she does represent much of what Christ was against (worldliness).


"The Son of Man came eating and drinking and they say, 'Behold a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds."
--Matthew 11:19

Maybe Jesus would be hanging out WITH Paris Hilton!
 
AEON said:


He's too liberal to appeal to his base. He was simply the lesser of two evils in both elections.


if you could design both your dream country, and your dream president, what would it/he look like?
 
Irvine511 said:



if you could design both your dream country, and your dream president, what would it/he look like?

The dream country is modern day America with a few tweaks.

1) return of American mythology - meaning, I think there is value in building up the lives of men like Washington, Jefferson, FDR, MLK. Keep them larger than life and hold them up as examples of courage and leadership.

2) allow Judeo/Christian ethics and morality to be taught in public schools. Secular Humanism is the current religion being taught and I think it is leading us down the wrong path.

3) removal of activist judges, both conservative and liberal.

4) an end to big oil and big auto as we know it. We are slaves to this outdated, robber barron system and I hate it. Electric cars are very patriotic

5) the banning and removal of Islamic Fascism.

6) extreme funding of green technology. The ROI will be worth it!

7) outlaw abortion (this is a brutal and barbaric practice - medical advances will only continue to reveal how truly awful this is)

8) mandatory 2 year service for every man and woman (can be military, peace corps, Red Cross...etc)

9) that we choose to reject the sewage that comes from Hollywood.

10) that our university teachers stop usuing their position to spread the hatred of America and Judeo/Christian values.

Any candidate, man/woman/black/white/Republican/Democrat/Independent, running on these basic principles, and he walks as he talks (i.e. integrity), is my ideal candidate
 
AEON said:


The dream country is modern day America with a few tweaks.

1) return of American mythology - meaning, I think there is value in building up the lives of men like Washington, Jefferson, FDR, MLK. Keep them larger than life and hold them up as examples of courage and leadership.

2) allow Judeo/Christian ethics and morality to be taught in public schools. Secular Humanism is the current religion being taught and I think it is leading us down the wrong path.

3) removal of activist judges, both conservative and liberal.

4) an end to big oil and big auto as we know it. We are slaves to this outdated, robber barron system and I hate it. Electric cars are very patriotic

5) the banning and removal of Islamic Fascism.

6) extreme funding of green technology. The ROI will be worth it!

7) outlaw abortion (this is a brutal and barbaric practice - medical advances will only continue to reveal how truly awful this is)

8) mandatory 2 year service for every man and woman (can be military, peace corps, Red Cross...etc)

9) that we choose to reject the sewage that comes from Hollywood.

10) that our university teachers stop usuing their position to spread the hatred of America and Judeo/Christian values.

Any candidate, man/woman/black/white/Republican/Democrat/Independent, running on these basic principles, and he walks as he talks (i.e. integrity), is my ideal candidate



is there any room for self-criticism/self-reflection in here?
 
AEON said:


The dream country is modern day America with a few tweaks.

1) return of American mythology - meaning, I think there is value in building up the lives of men like Washington, Jefferson, FDR, MLK. Keep them larger than life and hold them up as examples of courage and leadership.

2) allow Judeo/Christian ethics and morality to be taught in public schools. Secular Humanism is the current religion being taught and I think it is leading us down the wrong path.

3) removal of activist judges, both conservative and liberal.

4) an end to big oil and big auto as we know it. We are slaves to this outdated, robber barron system and I hate it. Electric cars are very patriotic

5) the banning and removal of Islamic Fascism.

6) extreme funding of green technology. The ROI will be worth it!

7) outlaw abortion (this is a brutal and barbaric practice - medical advances will only continue to reveal how truly awful this is)

8) mandatory 2 year service for every man and woman (can be military, peace corps, Red Cross...etc)

9) that we choose to reject the sewage that comes from Hollywood.

10) that our university teachers stop usuing their position to spread the hatred of America and Judeo/Christian values.

Any candidate, man/woman/black/white/Republican/Democrat/Independent, running on these basic principles, and he walks as he talks (i.e. integrity), is my ideal candidate

11) Get rid of the designated hitter in baseball.

I don't know of any electric cars capable of speeds over 200 mph so you lose me there, but all cars at the Indianapolis 500 this year will run on 100% ethanol.
 
INDY500 said:


11) Get rid of the designated hitter in baseball.


LOL!

I am much more of a National League baseball fan - being that I am from St. Louis, the best baseball town in the world!
 
Irvine511 said:




is there any room for self-criticism/self-reflection in here?

Well, I believe we should always be sober in self assessment. Having close friends that can keep us on the right track also helps.
 
AEON said:


Well, I believe we should always be sober in self assessment. Having close friends that can keep us on the right track also helps.



so would, say, a sober self-assessment on the need to drop the Atomic Bomb be a sober self-assessment, or would it be the spreading hatred of Judaeo-American values?
 
Irvine511 said:




so would, say, a sober self-assessment on the need to drop the Atomic Bomb be a sober self-assessment, or would it be the spreading hatred of Judaeo-American values?

With our modern military - nukes aren't needed.
 
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