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Old 06-24-2005, 06:56 AM   #1
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Sciencetology and Anti-Depressants

Tom Cruise has come under fire lately for criticizing Brooke Sheilds for taking anti-depressants. He got into a spat with Matt Lauer the other day on this same subject.

I don't know much about sciencetology and I am wondering why this religion does not allow therapy or drugs.

Anyone know?
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Tom might not be taking his Ritalin anymore, but he sure sounds like he's gotten a big bootlegged stash of Crazy Pills.
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Scientologists do not believe in psychology.
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i did see the interview on The Katie Couric Show ... i mean, the Today Show ... and while i can't speak for Scientology's specific beliefs, i think Tom has misunderstood what exactly drugs are used for.

he's right in that there's abuse of medication, that kids (and some adults) snort antidepressants and ritalin and adderall, and that these are powerful things. there's clearlyl abuse, and over-medication, and too many parents think that medicating an ADHD child is simply easier than dealing with the problem.

however, these drugs are not meant to fix the problem, necessarily; they are intended to help a person get to a place where they are then able to begin to work on fixing their problems themselves. drugs are not a cure, they are a treatment for symptoms. as someone who has benefited greatly from a small amount of talk therapy, i feel like my success could be attributed to the "work" done via conversation and the honest examination of painful emotions with a counselor who was trained to keep me focused and keep me talking so that i was doing the work and understanding my problems, understanding how they were affecting me, and suggesting techniques (meditation, some zen philosophy, relaxation techniques) that helped me more in the long run than, say, Paxil or another anti-anxiety drug might have.

however, while i was in a bad place, i was also lucky enough to have my brain in fairly decent running order and medication was not necessary. not everyone can say the same thing.

dont' know what the point of that was, necessarily, but just thought i'd share ...
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Thanks for the info, Irvine. I have found therapy and anti-depressants to be extremely helpful. As you said, anti-depressants definetly don't solve problems, but they put you in a healthier state of mind to deal with certain issues that otherwise seemed insurmountable.
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Irvine, you took the words straight out of my mouth
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what's weird, to me, is that the rumors i hear -- and i do work in "the biz," sort of, if by "the biz" we mean making TV on the East Coast -- is that Tom believes that Scientology has not only cured him of his dyslexia, but also of his ADD. he's gone off his ADD meds, and this is why his recent behavior has been that of a feral man-child raised by wolves.

and now he's got adorable jail-bait Joey Potter under his toothy spell.
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People should take the time to learn about the basic teachings of Scientology. It has qualified as a religion for tax purposes, but the basic tenents are all rooted in science fiction.

Scientology is a large, wealthy, agressive cult.
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know how Scientology started?

A hardcore sci-fi fan (and not a member) once told me that L. Ron Hubbard felt he wasn't making enough money, so he decided to start a religion on the advice of another author. (I want to say Bradbury, but I honestly don't remember. I also don't know if the other author was joking, I suspect he was)

The way Scientology is set up certainly lends me to believe the story...but I am curious if L. Ron Hubbard ever truly believed it himself.
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That is my understanding as well.
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Here's a few things I know about it:

L. Ron Hubbard wrote "Dianetics" in 1951 as a secular philosophy on self-improvement. It was dismissed by mainstream medicine from the start. In 1953, he declared his philosophy a religion and called it "Scientology." That name, in itself, is very curious, because it was originally coined in the early 20th century as meaning "pseudoscience." Scientology developed more and more elaborate beliefs as Hubbard continued to write them (and it's thought that he pilfered from Aleister Crowley's early 20th century occultist beliefs), but at its earliest origins, it was a reaction against psychology and psychiatry; and, as such, no one should be surprised that Scientologists hate it as much as they do.

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Well, when you are possessed by alien beings from thousands of years ago, you might not think that modern psychiatry will help.
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what's weird, to me, is that the rumors i hear -- and i do work in "the biz," sort of, if by "the biz" we mean making TV on the East Coast -- is that Tom believes that Scientology has not only cured him of his dyslexia, but also of his ADD. he's gone off his ADD meds, and this is why his recent behavior has been that of a feral man-child raised by wolves.

and now he's got adorable jail-bait Joey Potter under his toothy spell.

lets hope he doesnt spell something wrong on the marriage certificate
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Has anyone read "Battlefield Earth" or seen the horrible movie?

I remember when it came out, critics said it was filled with Scientology teachings, but I saw it (regrettably, long story) I never caught any. But I don't know what such sayings/teachings would be.

Does anyone know? Probably no one here has subjected themselves to either version.
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supposedly the new star wars was a giant bush bash, but I didnt catch on to that either
Maybe i was too distracted by darth vader

My sister lives in hollywood and knows a lot of scientoligists. Basically her take on it is that its a fad among them, and some people actually convert to it to get an "in"
Giovanni Ribisi has family with some hollywood power or something, and theyre more willing to help out scientologists
Ive also heard that theyre kind of whack in some ways, but some of the classes you can take from them can be pretty helpful as well
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