RavenStar said:
not quite as clever as people who quote the bible for effect.
It's not for effect - it's the base for where we are coming from.
RavenStar said:
not quite as clever as people who quote the bible for effect.
melon said:. Ever wonder how tropical plant fossils ended up embedded in Antarctica?
I mean, come ON. Darwinism is certainly open to criticism--
Melon
Can't Pink Floyd lyrics be the base for where someone is coming from?bonosloveslave said:
It's not for effect - it's the base for where we are coming from.
melon said:I am Catholic as well, and I was taught "God-created" evolution as well. I have no problem at all believing that evolution, as a scientific process, has been an instrument of God to create the world and the universe.
RavenStar said:
Can't Pink Floyd lyrics be the base for where someone is coming from?
meegannie said:
This thread is hilarious.
The Wanderer said:while I accept and believe in the concept of a *supreme being* or *creator* I cannot come to terms with the concept of how this original entity came to exist, I guess my question is: how did anything come into existence... the creator... the creations... doesn't everything have an origin that cannot be isolated to one moment... an infinite inversion or reversal of time -- back towards the beginning, if that makes sense? how can this be? how can time not be infinite in every linear direction?
I also realize I am a mere human with a human mind and I no nothing of such elaborate designs, and I suppose I am making the mistake of trying to reason thru something that is beyond the conceptual capacity of the human mind... we do not have the mind of God. If I am missing something, please direct me towards the right path.
Originally posted by nbcrusader, in response to pinkfloyd
Take a look at yourself in the mirror. Do you think you are a result of a random "natural" process that started with a primordial slime.
Achtung_Bebe said:Evolution is something that I feel passionately about, even more so lately. I'm currently studying it in Biology class, and as a christian it left me asking a few questions. I have personally concluded that you can either accept evolution or creationism as an origin, but not both... one contradicts the other. I believe that variation has occured among species, but not to the extent that one species evolved from another species and so on. Obviously organic matter arising from inorganic matter seems laughable to me. I like what George Wald (1967 Nobel peace Prize winner) had to say about this :
"When it comes to the origin of life on this earth, there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation (evolution). There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved years ago, but that leads us only to one other conclusion: that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds (personal reasons); therefore, we choose to believe the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance."
I think too much compromise has been made regarding our origin, even among the Church. Rather than regarding Genesis as a literal account of creation people have resorted to a symbolic interpretation in order to leave room for scientific theory. If the Bible, which was written by God through man, proclaims that life was created in its complete form each for its own purpose, then I believe it!! Notice how contradictory these two really are: biological evolution states that all bacteria, plants, animals, and even humans have arisen by chance from a single ancestor that somehow came to be. This suggests an "accidental" origination rather than the planning of a supreme being... a planning through which all laws, processes and identities were brought into existence just as Genesis describes.
There are simply too many symbiotic relationships and phenomenons that occur in nature for me to believe that all of this just sort of "happened"... I would urge an evolutionist to explain to me how something as intricate as the human eye evolved in a step-by-step process.
Feel free to argue my points but I am pretty set on my belief. I think the theory of evolution ignores the obvious problems attached to this process and instead serves as an alternative to biblical truth.
. I believe that variation has occured among species, but not to the extent that one species evolved from another species and so on
Achtung_Bebe said:Feel free to argue my points but I am pretty set on my belief. I think the theory of evolution ignores the obvious problems attached to this process and instead serves as an alternative to biblical truth.
MadelynIris said:There are way to many holes in the whole "mutations make variations and then are naturally selected" theory. Scientists admit this.
bonosloveslave said:I think the key premise for evolution to even be a possibilty is that you need LOTS and LOTS of time. This article is a bit lengthy to post here, but there are some good explanations for how some scientists estimate the earth at millions and billions of years old.
melon said:http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/ten.html
And read that while you're at it. A great example of creationist pseudoscience being analyzed.
Melon